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Post by Telemachus on Jul 3, 2021 9:41:37 GMT
In fairness, even taking all possible interpretations from Telemachus 's account, nothing much happened. He was irritated at being forcibly instructed/ordered about, by a volunteer, but chose rightly to carry on as he wished. The matter was then escalated slightly as a result of Telemachus seeking to photograph the volunteer. I fully understand the irritation, but I think the correct response was to do what he did initially i.e. ignore and carry on working HIS boat through HIS lock and let it go. Two occasions in two years (?) of being dissatisfied with a volunteer's bossyness isn't so bad considering how many volunteers must have been encountered in that period. Rog It wasn’t so much the ordering and attempted bossing around, it was the fact that he then came into my face to challenge me on the point and as soon as i presented my cogent case to support what I’d done, he resorted to rudeness, which is not what should be expected of such people. Probably a technique he learnt from certain forums! I could of course have let it go (cue the music) but I felt it my civic duty to press the point for the benefit of other less robust people who might encounter him in the future. Thinking about it, from his demeanour and age (he wasn’t totally decrepit like most volockies) I would strongly suspect he is a retired policeman. They are used to people doing what they are told or if they won’t, they quickly resort to physical means of getting their way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 9:45:05 GMT
In fairness, even taking all possible interpretations from Telemachus 's account, nothing much happened. He was irritated at being forcibly instructed/ordered about, by a volunteer, but chose rightly to carry on as he wished. The matter was then escalated slightly as a result of Telemachus seeking to photograph the volunteer. I fully understand the irritation, but I think the correct response was to do what he did initially i.e. ignore and carry on working HIS boat through HIS lock and let it go. Two occasions in two years (?) of being dissatisfied with a volunteer's bossyness isn't so bad considering how many volunteers must have been encountered in that period. Rog As has previously been mentioned, the new T&C’s come into play now. If nick had just carried on regardless, the volley could have made a complaint to crt, (unbeknown to nick) which could possibly result in the incident escalating when crt started sending threatening emails about doing as instructed. Owning a boat used to be a rather simple pleasure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 9:47:51 GMT
I wasn't criticising your understandable response ... although I considered the introduction of photographing the man was always going to be inflammatory ... but rather trying to suggest to other contributors that perhaps they are getting a little carried away as nothing much happened other than one person tried (and failed importantly) to boss another around.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 3, 2021 9:54:44 GMT
I've never had any problems with volockies. CRT staff member though, operating the top Bosley lock during a restriction, well what a thick, arrogant grumpy twat he was. He went off the job when I told him this, locked himself in the CRT tea room.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 11:24:15 GMT
... and let it go. Two occasions in two years (?) Rog Two too many. One should never be dissatisfied when boating. it should be illegal.
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Post by twbm2 on Jul 3, 2021 11:51:24 GMT
Readers may wish to note that there doesn't have to be contact for a Common Assault to be committed. As a random example, trying to get in someone's face and trying to get a photo of them might put them in fear of violence being committed against them, which constitutes that offence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 11:51:56 GMT
CRT are going to post a picture of Nick at every manned lock along with the instruction 'Do Not Approach This Man'.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 3, 2021 12:10:23 GMT
CRT are going to post a picture of Nick at every manned lock along with the instruction 'Do Not Approach This Man'. If only they would!
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Post by Jim on Jul 3, 2021 12:24:02 GMT
So what do the panel advise as a course of action if an unruly member of staff with no name badge refuses to give their name so that a complaint can be made? The refusal to be identified is further cause for complaint in itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 12:40:03 GMT
Get out the twelve bore
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 3, 2021 12:46:16 GMT
Readers may wish to note that there doesn't have to be contact for a Common Assault to be committed. As a random example, trying to get in someone's face and trying to get a photo of them might put them in fear of violence being committed against them, which constitutes that offence. However I would say that the volockie storming up to me in a rage because I defied him, is more likely to put someone in fear and alarm than me saying “i want to take an identifying photo of you” and proceeding to do it. Never mind clobbering them with a windlass!
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Post by kris on Jul 3, 2021 13:04:21 GMT
To me the point is that someone crt are placing in a public facing role, should receive enough training and on going support to be able to deal with irate/upset customers. As it seems more and more of carts paying customers are becoming dissatisfied with their performance.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 3, 2021 13:05:02 GMT
In fairness, even taking all possible interpretations from Telemachus 's account, nothing much happened. He was irritated at being forcibly instructed/ordered about, by a volunteer, but chose rightly to carry on as he wished. The matter was then escalated slightly as a result of Telemachus seeking to photograph the volunteer. I fully understand the irritation, but I think the correct response was to do what he did initially i.e. ignore and carry on working HIS boat through HIS lock and let it go. Two occasions in two years (?) of being dissatisfied with a volunteer's bossyness isn't so bad considering how many volunteers must have been encountered in that period. Rog Someone ended up being clouted with a windlass being aggressively or irresponsibly swung about in the hand of someone present as a representative of the so-called navigation authority, . . and you think that's acceptable ? As I've said on previous occasions, . . in the C&RT, a good proportion of you noddy-boating prats have got just exactly what you deserve.
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Post by kris on Jul 3, 2021 13:19:26 GMT
These new terms and conditions can only serve to encourage the “little hitlers,” who are attracted to volunteering for crt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 13:29:11 GMT
In fairness, even taking all possible interpretations from Telemachus 's account, nothing much happened. He was irritated at being forcibly instructed/ordered about, by a volunteer, but chose rightly to carry on as he wished. The matter was then escalated slightly as a result of Telemachus seeking to photograph the volunteer. I fully understand the irritation, but I think the correct response was to do what he did initially i.e. ignore and carry on working HIS boat through HIS lock and let it go. Two occasions in two years (?) of being dissatisfied with a volunteer's bossyness isn't so bad considering how many volunteers must have been encountered in that period. Rog Someone ended up being clouted with a windlass being aggressively or irresponsibly swung about in the hand of someone present as a representative of the so-called navigation authority, . . and you think that's acceptable ? As I've said on previous occasions, . . in the C&RT, a good proportion of you noddy-boating prats have got just exactly what you deserve. What a delightful chap you are ... may I remind you that we 'noddy-boating prats' still have boats to go 'noddy-boating' on I didn't say it was acceptable, I merely suggested that some sense of proportion should be retained. Rog
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