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Post by kris on Oct 10, 2021 7:54:53 GMT
Talking boaters it seems cart are still following their policy of removing boaters facilities. So maybe it’s time for another thread where people can post about facilities they know have been removed?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 8:02:03 GMT
Some Paddle boarders like collecting floating litter so perhaps there is no longer a need for bins.
Slow release rather than large bags full.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 10, 2021 8:02:57 GMT
I read somewhere maybe on the tother side that they dont have to provide facilities? so maybe it will come down to repairs or facilities? so the facilities will go?I for one only need bins and water and thats maybe all they have to supply?
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Post by kris on Oct 10, 2021 8:06:17 GMT
I read somewhere maybe on the tother side that they dont have to provide facilities? so maybe it will come down to repairs or facilities? so the facilities will go? why do people keep perpetuating the myth that cart are poor? They are not poor, they have a massive turnover. If they choose to they could have kept a reasonable maintenance level and facilities. They might have to loose some off the high paid management to do it. Now I wonder why they don’t do it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 8:11:30 GMT
I'm intrigued by the upcoming 'embargo' on bagged human waste being put into rubbish bins.
It seems dry toilets have become extremely popular in the past few years, very often promoted and advertised by YouTube vloggers, but from the end of the year bagged waste is banned from C&RT provided bins.
One wonders how this can possibly be enforced or policed, and secondly if this change will drive a switch back to more traditional toilet systems.
In the past ten years it appears marinas have become both more numerous, and generally more welcoming to visiting boaters, and I wonder if C&RT aren't planning by stealth, to effectively 'contract out' boater services to them.
It seems to me that with ever more regular C&RT service block breakdowns, folks are discovering and utilising private facilities ... I wonder if in time this may lead to more service block closures ?
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 10, 2021 8:17:05 GMT
I'm intrigued by the upcoming 'embargo' on bagged human waste being put into rubbish bins. It seems dry toilets have become extremely popular in the past few years, very often promoted and advertised by YouTube vloggers, but from the end of the year bagged waste is banned from C&RT provided bins. One wonders how this can possibly be enforced or policed, and secondly if this change will drive a switch back to more traditional toilet systems. In the past ten years it appears marinas have become both more numerous, and generally more welcoming to visiting boaters, and I wonder if C&RT aren't planning by stealth, to effectively 'contract out' boater services to them. It seems to me that with ever more regular C&RT service block breakdowns, folks are discovering and utilising private facilities ... I wonder if in time this may lead to more service block closures ? Rog This is of course what happened at Fazeley. Fazeley services closed down, moved to Fazeley Mill Marina. Presumably CRT pay FMM to provide the facility to non-moorers. Simplistically it seems a good idea because costs associated with vandalism disappear. But equally, it then becomes pretty easy for a future change of policy to remove the agreement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 8:23:29 GMT
Interesting isn't it Telemachus ... I was chatting to Jackie about this, and she was saying the change has made a massive difference to the marina in increasing general sales (diesel, gas, coal and chandlery) and frequency of the need to empty the bins and elsan. I assume the 'arrangement' with C&RT recompensed the marina for extra costs incurred, but there must be additional benefits from increased sales and a significantly raised profile amongst boaters. Rog
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Post by peterboat on Oct 10, 2021 8:27:25 GMT
I read somewhere maybe on the tother side that they dont have to provide facilities? so maybe it will come down to repairs or facilities? so the facilities will go? why do people keep perpetuating the myth that cart are poor? They are not poor, they have a massive turnover. If they choose to they could have kept a reasonable maintenance level and facilities. They might have to loose some off the high paid management to do it. Now I wonder why they don’t do it? If you think getting rid of a few managers will sort money shortages you are wrong! On the tother side they were discussing putting up license fees to 5k! Surprisingly people were agreeing with it, of course if the Defra grant is cut it might come to very large rises in the license fee, so maybe just water and bins is better than 5k a year?
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Post by kris on Oct 10, 2021 8:29:52 GMT
why do people keep perpetuating the myth that cart are poor? They are not poor, they have a massive turnover. If they choose to they could have kept a reasonable maintenance level and facilities. They might have to loose some off the high paid management to do it. Now I wonder why they don’t do it? If you think getting rid of a few managers will sort money shortages you are wrong! On the tother side they were discussing putting up license fees to 5k! Surprisingly people were agreeing with it, of course if the Defra grant is cut it might come to very large rises in the license fee, so maybe just water and bins is better than 5k a year? yes this is rhetoric that cart keep putting out there.
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Post by kris on Oct 10, 2021 8:32:49 GMT
£216.1 million their annual turn over. They are not a poor organisation. That is a myth that cart spread themselves. So they can start talking about 5k licence fees.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 10, 2021 8:45:04 GMT
£216.1 million their annual turn over. They are not a poor organisation. That is a myth that cart spread themselves. So they can start talking about 5k licence fees. The infrastructure is very old and is constantly breaking so a large chunk of money is rainy day money! If you had run a business you would realise that, they if they get it wrong are splashed all over the media and the last thing we need is that in the current situation, so if they continue closing facilities so be it better that than canals
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 9:01:35 GMT
I'm not totally convinced it has to be an either/or situation.
Personally I have no issue these days with using private facilities, but that's not the same as saying I'm happy for C&RT to close service blocks.
The system is old and failing, but despite closures and problems, most of us have managed another year of cruising, even if occasionally interrupted or redirected.
I believe a lot of discontent is created by C&RT management's disingenuous style of 'making life better'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 9:19:01 GMT
And all those facilities were created in a decade that had a real focus on community amenities by an organisation that was wholly nationalised.
Just saying, as some say.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 9:40:17 GMT
And massively fewer liveaboard gits.
The increase in liveaboard gits over the last couple of decades has put huge strain on the RSW services.
What was primarily a system designed to cope with pleasure boaters out occasionally shitting in buckets then going home has in some areas turned into a full scale domestic waste disposal system.
It can't work properly. Not possible. Too much demand.
Closing the RSW facilities is perhaps not the best approach but it is a logical approach.
The argument that CRT have enough money to provide domestic refuse and sewerage systems surely goes hand in hand with the argument that those choosing to live on boats rather than use them occasionally for leisure purposes should pay more license fee as they use more of the blah blah blah and the blah blah blah.
A return to tolls would soon sort it..
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Post by peterboat on Oct 10, 2021 9:41:00 GMT
And all those facilities were created in a decade that had a real focus on community amenities by an organisation that was wholly nationalised. Just saying, as some say. My boat in fact most boats have a toilet shower/bath so those facilities could be deemed not needed, I have seen them vandalised in the past so even more money is needed doing repairs on something that most of us have
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