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Post by bodger on Dec 21, 2021 12:19:08 GMT
so we are told every day that the number of new infections doubles every 2 days.
I can't find any statistics that show that to be the case, in fact an "expert" stated the other day on ITV News that the number had increased by 66% in a week.
I conclude that the Diane Abbot skule of arifmettick is now fashionable among Classics scholars from Eton.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 12:25:21 GMT
I always use this one to look at figures, only because its the one i looked at right at the start so decided to keep using it. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/No doubling every day on that one either, just the jump up about a week ago. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 21, 2021 12:45:39 GMT
I always use this one to look at figures, only because its the one i looked at right at the start so decided to keep using it. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/No doubling every day on that one either, just the jump up about a week ago. Look, when we want your opinion, we'll ask Gill what it is.  |
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Post by JohnV on Dec 21, 2021 14:13:38 GMT
One of the problems with figures being given by media sources is that they often confuse the terms "infections" and "cases" used in scientific papers. The two are not the same.
"Infections" when dealing with Delta ran at about 5 or 6 times the number of "cases" "Cases" are an actual figure of the number of patients that have been medically diagnosed with Covid.
"Infections" are an interpolated number based on calculations on tests after the case for Covid, many of these infected will have been either unaware they had a virus, had such mild symptome they ignored it or thought they were suffering from something else.
At the moment there is nothing to indicate the figures for Omicron are any different.
There is an interesting (as yet not peer reviewed) paper from Hong Kong University that shows Omicron affecting a different part of the lung to Delta or Wild Covid, producing a Bronchitis rather than a Pneumonia which is much less life threatening but much quicker spreading and producing many more infectious particles breathed out by infected persons (accounting for the much quicker spread)
The fact that a much lower proportion of sufferers will have life threatening conditions requiring medical intervention might be outweighed by the sheer increase in number of infections.
Something else I thought interesting is that 50% of cases of Covid diagnosed in Hospital in London were admitted for totally unrelated reasons (if you are admitted to hospital the first thing they do is screen you for Covid) but however mild their cases of Covid might be, they are still listed in the statistics of being in hospital with covid and also have to be kept away from non covid patients.
Incidentally from a much less reliable source (The Minister for Health) 9 out of 10 of the most ill patients in hospital are unvaccinated.
Worth noting for some on here
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 14:28:09 GMT
It's all bollocks.
It's no use quoting vaccination status without also providing the age.
I have no faith in the health minister (Javid) because on the BBC webshite he said in an interview "we know that two don't work".
From the horse's mouth
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Post by kris on Dec 21, 2021 15:24:22 GMT
It's all bollocks. It's no use quoting vaccination status without also providing the age. I have no faith in the health minister (Javid) because on the BBC webshite he said in an interview "we know that two don't work". From the horse's mouth The whole idea of we know two don’t work, so have another one is a bit flawed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 15:32:17 GMT
It does seem slightly pointless.
One wonders if it could be a better approach to let the natural defences do the job.
I think it's illegal to say this these days so better be careful but how did humans survive this long in the first place?
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2021 15:44:28 GMT
When you two have finished with your idle twaddle go and get your booster or even the first and second jabs, then you won't overload the NHS.
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Post by bodger on Dec 21, 2021 15:46:19 GMT
It does seem slightly pointless. One wonders if it could be a better approach to let the natural defences do the job. I think it's illegal to say this these days so better be careful but how did humans survive this long in the first place?
err ........ we only survived the Plague on several occasions by ..... wait for it ...... strictly isolating infected communities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 15:59:37 GMT
When you two have finished with your idle twaddle go and get your booster or even the first and second jabs, then you won't overload the NHS. I reckon the other ones have done so already. As for myself if it gets bad I won't be going to the hospital there is a CO generator on the boat and I have a nice little restrictor for the flue. Don't worry about your precious NHS dear. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 21, 2021 16:03:32 GMT
It does seem slightly pointless. One wonders if it could be a better approach to let the natural defences do the job. But where's the profit in that?  |
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Post by JohnV on Dec 21, 2021 16:05:48 GMT
It's all bollocks. It's no use quoting vaccination status without also providing the age. I have no faith in the health minister (Javid) because on the BBC webshite he said in an interview "we know that two don't work". From the horse's mouth sorry you have not thought that through.
and neither did I think through my reply to it properly ..... full of scrambled logic.
will set it out more clearly when I have thought it through.
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Post by kris on Dec 21, 2021 16:12:59 GMT
When you two have finished with your idle twaddle go and get your booster or even the first and second jabs, then you won't overload the NHS. we are not overloading anything.It’s you that’s getting overloaded with the thought someone might think differently and act differently to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 16:14:45 GMT
JohnVI have not inspected the statistics but I have thought it through. How do you know that there isn't a massive bias towards old unvaccinated people ? Just because the number of vaccinated people is apparently higher than in younger age groups doesn't mean that there are no unvaccinated old people. Ageing population etc
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 21, 2021 16:22:37 GMT
so we are told every day that the number of new infections doubles every 2 days.
I can't find any statistics that show that to be the case, in fact an "expert" stated the other day on ITV News that the number had increased by 66% in a week.
I conclude that the Diane Abbot skule of arifmettick is now fashionable among Classics scholars from Eton.
You are confused. What was said is the number of new omicron infections doubles every 2 days (well I heard 2 to 3 days) but at the moment, omicron still represents a relatively small percentage of total covid infections. So if a small percentage doubles, for a while it doesn’t have much effect on the much larger overall number of infections. Until it does. |
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