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Post by kris on Apr 27, 2022 10:07:31 GMT
If as we keep hearing there are more boats on the water than ever before and the facilities are becoming overwhelmed in certain locations. Why aren’t crt putting in more facilities and welcoming this new customer base? Rather than seeking evermore draconian restrictions and to criminalise their customers. I’m not really seeking to cause an argument, I’m geniuenly interested in your thoughts. Most of us on here have been around on the waterways for long enough to have seen a lot of changes.
Regards kris
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 10:13:12 GMT
It's probably being run by accountants.
Putting in services for people who live on boats full time but do not pay for this in the way it is normal to pay for accomodation would not be a very sensible move financially.
I'm not an expert or an accountant but I do think that if bins are used residentially they are going to be more expensive to manage than those which are used sporadically for disposal of waste generated during leisure activities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 10:58:25 GMT
More boats paying license fees should in theory help the financial situation.
Very rough calculations.
Crt License = £1k Council tax = £2k
So you could assume because CRT don't provide social or education support the CRT license fee is poor value for society.
But..... Councils don't fund Council Taxpayers water and sewage services - that would be a considerable extra financial burden on Councils.
To work it all out you need to consider Gov grants etc etc...
However some costs are fixed such as 'maintenance' of the system and some vary depending on numbers of users.
I can't beleive it costs CRT anywhere near £1k a year to provide water, rubbish, sewage services + license and enforcement services.
So more boats should provide more money for new signs................
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Post by bills on Apr 27, 2022 12:05:02 GMT
That's a good point - CRT must be due for a rebranding soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 14:44:43 GMT
To be honest, I'd be happy if they just stop removing services, let alone provide new ones.
Rog
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Post by kris on Apr 27, 2022 17:58:21 GMT
To be honest, I'd be happy if they just stop removing services, let alone provide new ones. Rog It would definately be a good start.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 27, 2022 21:35:00 GMT
So many lock paddles out of action now that CRT are even buying jackets for them.
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Post by phil70 on Apr 27, 2022 22:14:49 GMT
So many lock paddles out of action now that CRT are even buying jackets for them. Ooh who has been a norty boy and let loose with a magic marker?
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Post by Jim on Apr 28, 2022 16:43:12 GMT
Paddle on lock 14 Rochdale Canal has been taped up for 3 years, now sports a new yellow jacket. At least they've done something while they've been putting up the new blue signs. Mustn't grumble eh!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 17:59:23 GMT
It's a valid thought Kris, but we need more people to take an interest in keeping the navigation open.
The good news is that I'm seeing a lot of boats out on the cut this year, but unless they get restricted during their desired route, it's unlikely they will complain and use any influence they have to change things.
CRT seem more worried about the NBTA TBH.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 28, 2022 18:31:13 GMT
It's a valid thought Kris, but we need more people to take an interest in keeping the navigation open. In a nutshell, boaters' licences only cover a small percentage of the cost of keeping the canal network open- 14% is the figure I read- the rest is paid for mainly by Government subsidy. So this is why CRT try to make canals appealing to other groups, so that they can point to overall usage including anglers, cyclists, ramblers etc in order to justify the continuation of this subsidy. I wouldn't begin to pretend that CRT do things perfectly and as with any such body it tends to be management-heavy- the NHS is far worse in this respect- but it would be futile to imagine that the taxpayer would wish to pay for me tossing the Summer off on a jolly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 19:21:52 GMT
It's a valid thought Kris, but we need more people to take an interest in keeping the navigation open. ... but it would be futile to imagine that the taxpayer would wish to pay for me tossing the Summer off on a jolly. Maybe not, but there are 10's of thousands of boaters moored up in a marina who would be slightly peeved off if their navigational options were removed (even if they have no intention to travel far). This is also why the hire boat companies have a lot of influence over CRT. Anyway. I'm sure Elon Musk will come to our rescue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 19:27:53 GMT
I wonder how much dollar Ford wanted to let him have the "model E" name so his brands could be SEXY?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 28, 2022 19:43:58 GMT
... but it would be futile to imagine that the taxpayer would wish to pay for me tossing the Summer off on a jolly. This is also why the hire boat companies have a lot of influence over CRT. I'm not sure that this is true. Hire boat companies tend to congregate around "honeypot" sites, such as the Llangollen Canal and CRT will naturally focus resources on the most popular boating areas. A CRT ground crew member who spent a few days helping me on the L&L a few years ago due to water level issues summed it all up quite well when he said "It's a vicious circle. Boaters won't come here because of all the problems and CRT won't spend money here because so few boaters use it". Operating a canal network is never going to be a viable business model. Even steam railways, which blew the canal network clean out of the water over 150 years ago depend almost entirely on volunteer labour to remain open. I don't know what the answer is. I'm just too small a fish in too big a pond for my views or actions to influence anything really, so as with everything else I've ever done I just muddle along making the most of what I have and try not to moan too much about my woes on internet forums.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 20:17:28 GMT
This is also why the hire boat companies have a lot of influence over CRT. I'm not sure that this is true. Hire boat companies tend to congregate around "honeypot" sites, such as the Llangollen Canal and CRT will naturally focus resources on the most popular boating areas. ...but they still help keep the local navigations open...well probably more than the NBTA (who are probably more interested in keeping people in thier homes). I'd like to stay in my home and continue to explore the system...like you..I think?
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