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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 29, 2024 0:17:05 GMT
The first sentence of the above reply [ thunderboat.boards.net/post/396302/thread ] is broadly correct, . . but takes no account of many vital considerations and/or variables. Included in those vital considerations and/or variables, for instance, is the depth of water in the lock tail and over the outer cill at local LW at Tarleton. In anything but exceptional wind and atmospheric pressure conditions, and with little to no 'fresh' coming down the river Douglas there's no depth to speak of, . . the lock tail and outer cill virtually dry/bare out at local LW. Regarding the incorrect presumptions and concerns over the time of arrival of the Flood at the boatyard compared with Flood at Tarleton Sea Lock, and the unnecessary concerns over having to stem the Flood from the boatyard to the Astland Light. The time difference between Flood at the boatyard and Flood at Tarleton Sea Lock is negligible, . . 5 minutes or less. Also, the Flood runs up much slower in the last 2 miles of the Douglas, due to the much increased width of the lower reaches. The crucial factor is getting underway, from the layover mooring at the boatyard, at exactly the right time in relation to the first of the Flood, or the tidal bore, beginning to run up the Douglas. Doing so leaves ample time to make the entrance into the Savick Brook outfall on a rising tide, . . having been pushed upriver all the way from Astland Light by that same tide. Lay by mooring space at the boatyard wasn't a problem when I last spoke with them, and I see no reason why it should be now or in the future. There are long lengths of normally unoccupied floating stages, extending from the boatyard round the bend in the river. As for your concerns about the cost of a one tide layover on the river stages, . . the boatyard don't want anything near as much as what Preston Docks Marina will charge you, . . if you're left with no choice but to overnight in there on solely on account of C&RT's sheer unprofessionalism and incompetence in forcing you into making the river passage at the wrong time, at the wrong state of the tide, . . and on waters that are NOT under C&RT authority or control.
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Post by on Apr 29, 2024 0:35:21 GMT
maximum length of bicycle 85cm.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 29, 2024 12:15:11 GMT
The first sentence of the above reply [ thunderboat.boards.net/post/396302/thread ] is broadly correct, . . but takes no account of many vital considerations and/or variables. Included in those vital considerations and/or variables, for instance, is the depth of water in the lock tail and over the outer cill at local LW at Tarleton. In anything but exceptional wind and atmospheric pressure conditions, and with little to no 'fresh' coming down the river Douglas there's no depth to speak of, . . the lock tail and outer cill virtually dry/bare out at local LW. Regarding the incorrect presumptions and concerns over the time of arrival of the Flood at the boatyard compared with Flood at Tarleton Sea Lock, and the unnecessary concerns over having to stem the Flood from the boatyard to the Astland Light. The time difference between Flood at the boatyard and Flood at Tarleton Sea Lock is negligible, . . 5 minutes or less. Also, the Flood runs up much slower in the last 2 miles of the Douglas, due to the much increased width of the lower reaches. The crucial factor is getting underway, from the layover mooring at the boatyard, at exactly the right time in relation to the first of the Flood, or the tidal bore, beginning to run up the Douglas. Doing so leaves ample time to make the entrance into the Savick Brook outfall on a rising tide, . . having been pushed upriver all the way from Astland Light by that same tide. Lay by mooring space at the boatyard wasn't a problem when I last spoke with them, and I see no reason why it should be now or in the future. There are long lengths of normally unoccupied floating stages, extending from the boatyard round the bend in the river. As for your concerns about the cost of a one tide layover on the river stages, . . the boatyard don't want anything near as much as what Preston Docks Marina will charge you, . . if you're left with no choice but to overnight in there on solely on account of C&RT's sheer unprofessionalism and incompetence in forcing you into making the river passage at the wrong time, at the wrong state of the tide, . . and on waters that are NOT under C&RT authority or control. I'm still waiting for answers to the 2 questions asked in this e-mail. It was sent to C&RT's Northwest Area Orifice on Friday, 19 April, . . and the clowns there acknowledged receipt and gave the query a 'Case Number' :- Ribble Link Navigational Information
Please provide the following information in respect of the half-tide gate in Savick Brook - erroneously referred to by the C&RT as the 'Sea Lock' or Lock No 9 : --
1) Height relative to ODN of the top/upper edge of the moveable barrier gate when in the fully lowered position.
2) Is there a fixed gauge board in the vicinity of the moveable barrier gate that gives the depth of water over the gate when in the fully lowered position ?
Signed, A.K.Dunkley (Canal & River Transport Services)
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2024 15:37:01 GMT
maximum length of bicycle 85cm. that wouldn't be a bicycle, that would be a unicycle with a 29 inch wheel or summat. Our recumbent tandem is somewhere around 3m long.
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Post by on Apr 29, 2024 15:45:48 GMT
Folding bike. TFL.
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2024 16:19:54 GMT
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Post by dogless on Apr 29, 2024 16:33:08 GMT
You can get a lot of taxis and tube rides for £20,000
Rog
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 29, 2024 17:34:48 GMT
The first sentence of the above reply [ thunderboat.boards.net/post/396302/thread ] is broadly correct, . . but takes no account of many vital considerations and/or variables. Included in those vital considerations and/or variables, for instance, is the depth of water in the lock tail and over the outer cill at local LW at Tarleton. In anything but exceptional wind and atmospheric pressure conditions, and with little to no 'fresh' coming down the river Douglas there's no depth to speak of, . . the lock tail and outer cill virtually dry/bare out at local LW. Regarding the incorrect presumptions and concerns over the time of arrival of the Flood at the boatyard compared with Flood at Tarleton Sea Lock, and the unnecessary concerns over having to stem the Flood from the boatyard to the Astland Light. The time difference between Flood at the boatyard and Flood at Tarleton Sea Lock is negligible, . . 5 minutes or less. Also, the Flood runs up much slower in the last 2 miles of the Douglas, due to the much increased width of the lower reaches. The crucial factor is getting underway, from the layover mooring at the boatyard, at exactly the right time in relation to the first of the Flood, or the tidal bore, beginning to run up the Douglas. Doing so leaves ample time to make the entrance into the Savick Brook outfall on a rising tide, . . having been pushed upriver all the way from Astland Light by that same tide. Lay by mooring space at the boatyard wasn't a problem when I last spoke with them, and I see no reason why it should be now or in the future. There are long lengths of normally unoccupied floating stages, extending from the boatyard round the bend in the river. As for your concerns about the cost of a one tide layover on the river stages, . . the boatyard don't want anything near as much as what Preston Docks Marina will charge you, . . if you're left with n choice but to overnight in there on solely on account of C&RT's sheer unprofessionalism and incompetence in forcing you into making the river passage at the wrong time, at the wrong state of the tide, . . and on waters that are NOT under C&RT authority or control. I'm still waiting for answers to the 2 questions asked in this e-mail. It was sent to C&RT's Northwest Area Orifice on Friday, 19 April, . . and the clowns there acknowledged receipt and gave the query a 'Case Number' :- Ribble Link Navigational Information
Please provide the following information in respect of the half-tide gate in Savick Brook - erroneously referred to by the C&RT as the 'Sea Lock' or Lock No 9 : --
1) Height relative to ODN of the top/upper edge of the moveable barrier gate when in the fully lowered position.
2) Is there a fixed gauge board in the vicinity of the moveable barrier gate that gives the depth of water over the gate when in the fully lowered position ?
Signed, A.K.Dunkley (Canal & River Transport Services)
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 29, 2024 17:53:39 GMT
As I said earlier, C&RT, particularly in respect of its Mickey Mouse administration/operation of the so-called Ribble Link, is a wholly incompetent and utterly useless apology for a navigation authority that knows absolutely nothing about how to organise or run tidal passage operations, . . it also claims, coincidentally, to have authority and control over waters on which it in fact has NO authority or control whatsoever. This from C&RT's 'Ribble Link Terms and Conditions' :- "Link" means the Millenium Ribble Link between the Lancaster Canal and Lock 8 (Tarleton Lock) on the Rufford Branch of the Leeds & Liverpool Canal.. . . which is quite simply untrue. The quoted item from the T&C's is wilfully misleading in implying that the C&RT is the navigation authority for, and has control over, the River Douglas from the tail of Tarleton Lock (No 8) on the L&L Rufford Arm, and the River Ribble (plus half a mile of the tidal Savick Brook) from Five Mile Perch (Astland Light) to the former Preston Docks. Reply to e-mail query timed at 1716 hrs todayC&RT's general incompetence, . . plus its specialist ineptitude when it comes to tidal passage operations and planning, . . has limited the so-called Ribble Link to only being open to navigation for a total of 66 days out of the whole of this year. If you're prepared to be pissed around to that extent !!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 29, 2024 17:56:05 GMT
You can get a lot of taxis and tube rides for £20,000 Rog You could get 25 Honda Expresses for that sort of money, and you don't have to exert any personal energy riding them.
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Post by on Apr 29, 2024 18:25:43 GMT
I like the idea of this.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 30, 2024 17:08:45 GMT
Text of a reply in the e-mail conversation referred to in post :- thunderboat.boards.net/post/397230/thread
" You hold a current 12 month C&RT Pleasure Boat Licence [PBL] entitling you to use your boat on C&RT controlled canals and navigations for 12 months from the date it was issued. The so-called 'Ribble Link' is a C&RT controlled non-tidal navigable canalised watercourse -- it extends approximately 4 miles from Lock No. 8 on Savick Brook up to the (Lancaster) canal basin on the outskirts of Preston. Unless legitimately closed to navigation for genuine reasons, such as repairs and/or maintenance, C&RT has no cause or authority to refuse the holders of current PBL's access on to the Ribble Link on demand and at any time. The movable half-tide gate/barrier in Savick Brook near the A583 Blackpool Road bridge is a man-made obstruction to navigation in a navigable tidal watercourse, along which there is an absolute right of way and right of navigation anywhere the tide flows. Under custom and law dating back to the end of 'time immemorial' (1189 AD), the C&RT cannot (legally) obstruct or refuse boat passage at and during the time and periods during each day when the state of the tide provides sufficient depth of water to allow the free passage of any vessel. In other words, you're perfectly within your rights to take your boat along the so-called Ribble Link, and onto the Lancaster Canal in Preston, at ANY time the weather and the state of the tide permits passage, and at ANY time YOU want to, . . NOT when some C&RT employed office chair polishing tosspot says you can or you can't. Let me know if you'd like me to speak to the boatyard (about a mile down the Douglas from Tarleton) and arrange a Low Water layover berth on their floating stages."
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 30, 2024 18:02:41 GMT
Let me know if you'd like me to speak to the boatyard (about a mile down the Douglas from Tarleton) and arrange a Low Water layover berth on their floating stages." Thanks but I think the first time I do the transit I will just “go with the flow” ie go along with everyone else. Once I have seen the actual situation on the ground (water) I might think differently.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 30, 2024 18:25:14 GMT
Let me know if you'd like me to speak to the boatyard (about a mile down the Douglas from Tarleton) and arrange a Low Water layover berth on their floating stages." Thanks but I think the first time I do the transit I will just “go with the flow” ie go along with everyone else. Once I have seen the actual situation on the ground (water) I might think differently. Like I said, once you've done it you'll understand perfectly why it's done the way it is.
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Post by kris on May 3, 2024 17:41:01 GMT
Here’s a video for Tony
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