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Post by kris on Apr 9, 2023 19:53:14 GMT
I think insanity would have worked as a defence in your case Tony.
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Post by on Apr 9, 2023 20:18:34 GMT
It is more annoying in the case of the K&A geyser because his boat has a blatantly obvious negative value.
Some boats could be worth a bit but that wooden thing isn't. No chance of CRT licence payers ever getting anything back.
It will be a dead loss.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 9, 2023 20:21:44 GMT
Byelaws might not work very well because some people would simply pay the fines then carry on as normal. Removing the boat to a remote location then selling it does work and is probably quite a good deterrent. The spurious C&RT Ltd argument against prosecution under the General Canal Byelaws is the same fallacious drivel that was first published by BWB in 2010 at the instigation of a thoroughly contemptible specimen called Nigel Johnson - the then head of BWB's legal department, . . and the inspirational role model for C&RT Ltd Company Secretary Tom Deards and the willing gang of crooks and liars who work under his direction and under the cover of C&RT Ltd's so-called Legal & Governance Services. It - the fallacious argument for the abuse and misuse of statutory boat removal powers in preference to the use of the legitimate powers available for specific breaches of licensing related laws - was contrived rubbish back then, . . and it's still just as much contrived rubbish today. Prosecutions under Byelaws, . . in conjunction with the additional actions prescribed under relevant statute can be very effective, and at negligible or comparatively low cost to the navigation authority. This simple unarguable fact has been demonstrated and proven on numerous occasions by the EA and the Middle Level Commissioners, . . and, unlike C&RT Ltd's extravagant money wasting actions, is wholly lawful and legitimate.
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Post by on Apr 9, 2023 20:28:36 GMT
Can you provide some examples where it has been effective for the Environment Agency please.
The most famous case is probably the Alister Trotman "slum boats" case which did indeed progress to byelaw prosecution and magistrates court and a fine of about 30 grand.
Did the problem go away?
No.
Examples needed of successful elimination of problems.
I'm not talking about fining people I am talking about getting rid of problems..
You need to provide evidence for your assertion that enforcing byelaws is effective.
as you have mentioned both the EA and the MLC it will be easy to find this evidence.
Do it.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 9, 2023 20:35:21 GMT
It is more annoying in the case of the K&A geyser because his boat has a blatantly obvious negative value. Some boats could be worth a bit but that wooden thing isn't. No chance of CRT licence payers ever getting anything back. It will be a dead loss. I'd suggest that it is probably the same story with every single boat which CRT seize under Section 8- slum boats owned by chancers who calculate, quite correctly, that CRT have no chance of recovering legal costs from them and so see no disadvantage in dragging things out for as long as possible. George on the K&A obviously has mental health issues and needs help which I would hope would be forthcoming.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 9, 2023 20:38:19 GMT
George had a few weeks to whack a defence in. Why didn't Tony do so? Be a little more precise and explicit. A Defence to what exactly? The Court Action in which he was the defendant.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 9, 2023 21:07:08 GMT
Be a little more precise and explicit. A Defence to what exactly? The Court Action in which he was the defendant. Which one, and on what date, . . Shit-for-Brains ?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 9, 2023 21:14:54 GMT
Yet again, I have made a polite, reasoned and logical statement, and yet again this has drawn an offensive personal attack, and this is why Tony Dunkley's mother should have been dragged up an alleyway somewhere, been gang-raped and then had its throat slit before it had a chance to open its legs and spit the sick child-rapist out of its filthy hole.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 9, 2023 21:36:53 GMT
Byelaws might not work very well because some people would simply pay the fines then carry on as normal. Removing the boat to a remote location then selling it does work and is probably quite a good deterrent. Sensible people, for example, would not do what you did because it results in losing the boat. In some cases losing the boat would be a very serious situation. Obviously not for you but there are people who live on boats. We know what your views on this are but at the end of the day the CRT will take your boat. This is just fact. If you would like to present this to a court of law that would be great but I can see why you don't. The risk of losing your house really is a serious matter. The court might find that the CRT were right. Not worth it eh? George had a few weeks to whack a defence in. Why didn't Tony do so? Be a little more precise and explicit. A Defence to what exactly, . . on whose behalf, mine or George Ward's . . or were you really meaning to ask about an Appeal ? If you were querying why I didn't, or couldn't, act on George Ward's behalf, . . that question has been dealt with quite recently.
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Post by kris on Apr 9, 2023 21:45:03 GMT
Does it take practice to be such a twat Tony or where you born like it?
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 9, 2023 22:26:13 GMT
It's natural instinct which has been finely honed over many years to produce the quintessential prick we are now sadly witness to on a daily basis.
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Post by on Apr 9, 2023 22:34:50 GMT
One could suppose that it is some people's duty to fulfil the role.
I feel a rather more eloquent and well honed term may be wise moving forwards.
Calling someone a "prick" may elicit undesirable responses.
You are good with English. Could you not make a little effort to come up with a multiple word linguistically effective reference term for future use?
I see Mrs Tabby has tried but his is rather coarse and uncouth.
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 9, 2023 22:48:32 GMT
Probably. But how much worse do you think it can get? In any case, comparing individuals to various elements of sexual anatomy is an established tradition.
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Post by on Apr 9, 2023 22:50:42 GMT
Well there is that.
I was thinking of a five word phrase one could use.
Or maybe 4. Or 3.
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Post by on Apr 9, 2023 22:53:24 GMT
It nust seems to me that without some extra work one will find oneself trumped by such terms as "vacuous inconsequential nobody"
While it is possible to argue with Tony's approach to law regarding boat seizure I do think he comes at the top of the list for well constructed and linguistically effective offense terms.
Credit where it is due.
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