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Post by Aloysius on Jul 3, 2023 11:53:33 GMT
I suppose this is good as it leaves more space for people whose lives are mot being run by a silly con thing. It's odd how on the one hand you are so enthusiastic about new gadgets and on the other a massive luddite.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 3, 2023 12:02:55 GMT
We moored alongside a no-gas boat a few years ago, they ran the genny when cooking their dinner. You couldn’t really hear it from outside, but from inside our boat there was a rather annoying rumbling vibration - being carried efficiently through the water I presume. This is not a drawback of a gas-free boat. I don’t understand your point. Maybe I should have explained that this was a built in cocooned water cooled diesel genny
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 3, 2023 12:07:35 GMT
Anyway... I was musing about all this because...
with a NB about (say) 45 ft, I think the ideal layout would be cruiser stern. So apace is always a premium on a boat, especially so a smaller one...and I consider that in this form the front deck, as found on most boats, would be a waste of space better used as cabin room. So instead, have the front fully enclosed with a secondary exit as a side hatch. But there's a problem...accessing any gas locker in the usual place at the bow would be a drag...so do away with the gas locker too, which would allow a larger than normal water tank. So far, so good, but then you either have a gas locker on the stern deck, which may be a bit ugly, or have a gas-free boat.
Also the stern deck could be a foot or two longer than usual which would be good for various reasons, among them being a purpose-made locker for all the batteries.
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 3, 2023 12:08:53 GMT
This is not a drawback of a gas-free boat. I don’t understand your point. Maybe I should have explained that this was a built in cocooned water cooled diesel genny It's a drawback for anyone moored near it at dinner time 😜
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 3, 2023 12:19:40 GMT
Anyway... I was musing about all this because... with a NB about (say) 45 ft, I think the ideal layout would be cruiser stern. So apace is always a premium on a boat, especially so a smaller one...and I consider that in this form the front deck, as found on most boats, would be a waste of space better used as cabin room. So instead, have the front fully enclosed with a secondary exit as a side hatch. But there's a problem...accessing any gas locker in the usual place at the bow would be a drag...so do away with the gas locker too, which would allow a larger than normal water tank. So far, so good, but then you either have a gas locker on the stern deck, which may be a bit ugly, or have a gas-free boat. Also the stern deck could be a foot or two longer than usual which would be good for various reasons, among them being a purpose-made locker for all the batteries. I would prefer a trad stern. All those Li batteries are best kept inside the living space for temperature stability, rather than in an effectively “outside space”. Plus, thieving of expensive Ali batteries will probably become a thing, better hidden away inside rather than presenting themselves to anyone lifting the deck boards.
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Post by on Jul 3, 2023 12:28:30 GMT
I suppose this is good as it leaves more space for people whose lives are mot being run by a silly con thing. It's odd how on the one hand you are so enthusiastic about new gadgets and on the other a massive luddite. I really like all the electric stuff but I also like mooring in the shade so can recognise the contradiction in a number of different ways.
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 3, 2023 12:32:02 GMT
Problem with the trad stern is there's only space for one person (comfortably). Yep, better to have the expensive stuff inside a cabin for the very good reason you say, but I imagine the battery locker to be exactly that. Also, it would be heavily insulated.
With a bit of thought it would be possible to have securable decks on the stern section. You'd have to colour-code all the many padlock keys though. 👌
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Post by dogless on Jul 3, 2023 12:53:48 GMT
With digital cameras making an unnecessary 'shutter click' sound just for authenticity, perhaps electrically powered boats could play the sound of a National engine as it cruises ... maybe even blow a bit of smoke out of a roof pipe.
Rog
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 3, 2023 12:53:58 GMT
It's odd how on the one hand you are so enthusiastic about new gadgets and on the other a massive luddite. I really like all the electric stuff but I also like mooring in the shade so can recognise the contradiction in a number of different ways. Perhaps one would need to learn to not be obsessed with gathering solar energy. I suppose this would mean greater reliance on the genny but hey-ho.
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 3, 2023 13:00:40 GMT
With digital cameras making an unnecessary 'shutter click' sound just for authenticity, perhaps electrically powered boats could play the sound of a National engine as it cruises ... maybe even blow a bit of smoke out of a roof pipe. Rog Some flashy cars like Ferraris and the like do this. With some you can apparently choose between the 'authentic' sound of several classic cars. But it's a poxy idea which I imagine would get old real quick. Anyway better it sounded like a Bolinder.
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Post by kris on Jul 3, 2023 13:01:36 GMT
With digital cameras making an unnecessary 'shutter click' sound just for authenticity, perhaps electrically powered boats could play the sound of a National engine as it cruises ... maybe even blow a bit of smoke out of a roof pipe. Rog Some flashy cars like Ferraris and the like do this. With some you can apparently choose between the 'authentic' sound of several classic cars. But it's a poxy idea which I imagine would get old real quick. Anyway better it sounded like a Bolinder. what the Ferrari?
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Post by kris on Jul 3, 2023 13:07:22 GMT
Anyway... I was musing about all this because... with a NB about (say) 45 ft, I think the ideal layout would be cruiser stern. So apace is always a premium on a boat, especially so a smaller one...and I consider that in this form the front deck, as found on most boats, would be a waste of space better used as cabin room. So instead, have the front fully enclosed with a secondary exit as a side hatch. But there's a problem...accessing any gas locker in the usual place at the bow would be a drag...so do away with the gas locker too, which would allow a larger than normal water tank. So far, so good, but then you either have a gas locker on the stern deck, which may be a bit ugly, or have a gas-free boat. Also the stern deck could be a foot or two longer than usual which would be good for various reasons, among them being a purpose-made locker for all the batteries. I think the installation would take up more room. Well if you where going for a cocooned water cooled diesel generator and a big bank of batteries plus the solar panels. I think you would need more room than a 45’ nb.
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Post by dogless on Jul 3, 2023 13:11:57 GMT
Apparently the boat has an 'eco mode' for cruising, which uses significantly less battery power.
I guess it just means you travel much slower.
I wonder what an electric boat would be like on tidal rivers ... suppose with a big enough prop it wouldn't matter.
By the way the boat had bow AND stern thrusters, although why I have no idea.
Rog
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 3, 2023 13:15:46 GMT
Some flashy cars like Ferraris and the like do this. With some you can apparently choose between the 'authentic' sound of several classic cars. But it's a poxy idea which I imagine would get old real quick. Anyway better it sounded like a Bolinder. what the Ferrari? so funny
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 3, 2023 13:24:24 GMT
Anyway... I was musing about all this because... with a NB about (say) 45 ft, I think the ideal layout would be cruiser stern. So apace is always a premium on a boat, especially so a smaller one...and I consider that in this form the front deck, as found on most boats, would be a waste of space better used as cabin room. So instead, have the front fully enclosed with a secondary exit as a side hatch. But there's a problem...accessing any gas locker in the usual place at the bow would be a drag...so do away with the gas locker too, which would allow a larger than normal water tank. So far, so good, but then you either have a gas locker on the stern deck, which may be a bit ugly, or have a gas-free boat. Also the stern deck could be a foot or two longer than usual which would be good for various reasons, among them being a purpose-made locker for all the batteries. I think the installation would take up more room. Well if you where going for a cocooned water cooled diesel generator and a big bank of batteries plus the solar panels. I think you would need more room than a 45’ nb. I agree it might be too much for that sort of boat, so instead a more common petrol item in an above-deck locker (because for safety reasons it would need to vent overboard like a gas locker). Ok so it may be a target, but in the end if someone is determined to take something and you are not there to argue about it then it's likely going to happen. At least if the genny is a less expensive item then one might be able to be more philosophical about it. But I'd make the locker out of something substantial.
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