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Post by dogless on Aug 30, 2023 12:47:22 GMT
It's the punters leaving shite not the organisers. You have to assume they're too wealthy, too entitled, and too lazy. Do they go buy another tent and sleeping bag for their next festival ? As fi says they managed to get the sruff there without problem. Rog Itβs a corporate throwaway mentality. Iβve paid Β£300 to be here, so Iβll throw it there and someone else can pick it up. The whole scene changed when the corporates moved in and started buying up festivals. Before then organisers had tried to minimise rubbish and waste. I don't agree. It's the punters throwing away. I'm all for blaming large corporations where it's deserved but in this instance it's not. Rog
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Post by kris on Aug 30, 2023 13:29:11 GMT
Itβs a corporate throwaway mentality. Iβve paid Β£300 to be here, so Iβll throw it there and someone else can pick it up. The whole scene changed when the corporates moved in and started buying up festivals. Before then organisers had tried to minimise rubbish and waste. I don't agree. It's the punters throwing away. I'm all for blaming large corporations where it's deserved but in this instance it's not. Rog Thats fine, but I lived through the change in the scene. The individual punters are not encouraged by the organisers to clean up their mess.
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Post by β on Aug 30, 2023 13:39:48 GMT
I still think the logistics of having large numbers of people leaving a site requires that they are carrying as little as possible with them. They entered the site carrying the stuff...
Post festival fatigue must be a factor.
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Post by β on Aug 30, 2023 13:42:57 GMT
It's the punters leaving shite not the organisers. You have to assume they're too wealthy, too entitled, and too lazy. Do they go buy another tent and sleeping bag for their next festival ? As fi says they managed to get the stuff there without problem. Rog I think the organisers request that you leave things there rather than providing bins for the rubbish. Its obviously that a load of nackered half cut bolloxed and stoned people trying to interact with large commercial bins is not going to work very well. You would get accidents. Plus Reading is packed solid with pikeys so they probably like it !
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Post by fi on Aug 30, 2023 13:44:16 GMT
Just give em a free can of Red Bull and tell them to get on with it!
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Post by β on Aug 30, 2023 13:45:37 GMT
Complacent or just £££? just £££ the festival scene was taken over in this country about 15-20years ago. By corporations, festival republic and mean fiddler being two examples. This changed the whole game. Shambala is one of the few larger independent festivals left. The mean fiddler bloke Vince Power turned up on my mooring as a neighbour a few yars ago. What a cunt he was. Got to be honest ! He fucked off soon enough. Curious coincidence we shared the same date of birth.
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Post by kris on Aug 30, 2023 14:39:25 GMT
just £££ the festival scene was taken over in this country about 15-20years ago. By corporations, festival republic and mean fiddler being two examples. This changed the whole game. Shambala is one of the few larger independent festivals left. The mean fiddler bloke Vince Power turned up on my mooring as a neighbour a few yars ago. What a cunt he was. Got to be honest ! He fucked off soon enough. Curious coincidence we shared the same date of birth. Yes Iβve met Vince Power. What a thoroughly horrible cunt he is. But mean fiddler bought loads of festivals and venues in London. If your an up and coming band now itβs almost impossible to not play his venues or events. I didnβt know he lives on a boat though thatβs interesting.
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Post by dogless on Aug 30, 2023 15:13:24 GMT
I don't agree. It's the punters throwing away. I'm all for blaming large corporations where it's deserved but in this instance it's not. Rog Thats fine, but I lived through the change in the scene. The individual punters are not encouraged by the organisers to clean up their mess. 'Their mess' ? Are we talking at cross purposes ? I have no expectation anyone's going to clear any litter ... unless the crowd is predominently Japanese. It's their tents, sleeping bags and camping gear they carefully packed and carried from home to the venue. How are the organisers to blame ? Rog
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Post by thebfg on Aug 30, 2023 16:01:13 GMT
Charge a Β£50 refundable deposit on issuing a camping slot. If clear when you leave you get it back. Many ways of forcing change, we're just too complacent to bother. It doesn't have to be like that ... queue song. Rog People will just factor in the 50 quid as a cost. Especially if there are 5 or 6 People together. Must admit I grabbed a new chair on the way out of Reading. I know a few people who go around and get 100s of cans of beer and cash. I eyed up a few half decent tents last time but couldn't be bothered, maybe next time I'll hang around and go shopping.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 30, 2023 17:06:32 GMT
Thats fine, but I lived through the change in the scene. The individual punters are not encouraged by the organisers to clean up their mess. 'Their mess' ? Are we talking at cross purposes ? I have no expectation anyone's going to clear any litter ... unless the crowd is predominently Japanese. It's their tents, sleeping bags and camping gear they carefully packed and carried from home to the venue. How are the organisers to blame ? Rog I expect quite a few of them get a lift there from Mummy and Daddy but have to make their own way home by train/bus etc.
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Post by ianali on Aug 31, 2023 21:36:28 GMT
Old cottages are a nightmare as far as doing any home improvements on. They are also bloomin lovely to live in.
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Post by metanoia on Sept 1, 2023 20:02:41 GMT
Old cottages are a nightmare as far as doing any home improvements on. They are also bloomin lovely to live in. I agree ianali. On both counts. I was privileged to own and live in the buttery of a Suffolk longhouse originally built in the time of Cromwell for a few years. Amazingly beautiful place, such atmosphere and a real sense of home. The only house I ever shed a tear upon leaving ... Good luck to the young ones with it. They will be so glad to own that in spite of any issues. You can feel it in the beams.
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Post by β on Sept 1, 2023 20:45:39 GMT
My Very Rich aunt lives in a tiny one up one down cottage in Norfolk. Old one made of flint with straw as insulation. Kitchen sink in a cupboard.
My sisters and I used to stay with her during some holidays and go to the beaches in her VW beetle.
Lovely little cottage in a terrace of 5 but when her dear old neighbour Dora, who had an open coal fire and used a chemical lavatory and had no stairs died the adjoining cottage was sold to some idiots who massively and inappropriately extended it beyond what one would think would be legal.
Horrid.
Still good memories from when it was a nice place.
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Post by fi on Sept 1, 2023 20:54:40 GMT
Old cottages are a nightmare as far as doing any home improvements on. They are also bloomin lovely to live in. You can feel it in the beams. My head felt the beams in my future wife's old cottage (one half of a converted old Ham Stone pub) - old cottages might be quaint but they were not built for someone over 6 foot...
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Post by β on Sept 1, 2023 21:39:33 GMT
Β You can feel it in the beams. My head felt the beams in my future wife's old cottage (one half of a converted old Ham Stone pub) - old cottages might be quaint but they were not built for someone over 6 foot... Indeed. My old git father bought a nice cottage with his second wife a few yars ago in Sussex. Obviously she asset stripped him so it wasn't actually his for long but I do recall the significant lack of headroom. The wife (step mother) is a midget so no problem but I can't get through the door without bending. Much like the boat actually ! And there are terrible beams as well which look like useful firewood. I don't go there any more on account of the Will dispute. cash not houses.
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