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Post by kris on Jul 18, 2023 15:01:02 GMT
But I’m sure navigation would be more of a priority than it is for crt. What makes you think that. Because it’s my idea, so I’m making it up how I want. Without your nay saying, donkey.
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Post by brummieboy on Jul 18, 2023 15:11:26 GMT
Privatisation of other industries produced competition and reduced costs for consumers and gave better service. Just think Gas, Electricity and telephones. even the railways benefitted from release from nationalised sclerotic management. At the outset it also gave small investors a chance to reap the dividends, ask Sid. However, the inefficiences of government (read Civil Service),the regulatory bodies are nothing but toothless quangos and the ravenous incomers made more than hay as the sun shone. To take these undertakings back into public ownership would cost billions, and when you factor in the inability of Government to employ and control ineffective managers, public service staff pay levels, terms and conditions (gold plated pensions and early retirement), then there is only one sector that will pay for this and that is private enterprise and their employees. My first employment was in the Civil Service and we spent much of the day larking about and without discipline. The country that is under most nationalised control in Europe is France, and their situation is significantly worse than ours at the moment.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2023 15:13:20 GMT
I worked for a Nationalised Industry just after graduation - British Aerospace. We spent most of the time larking around and going to the pub. Although I suppose I did write the floating point maths micro-programme for the Rapier Field Standard B missile defence system CPU. Seems to have worked OK, lots of bad guys shot down. So is that you for or against the idea? Or are you just reminiscing about your lost youth? Against, simply because history shows that nationalising things never makes them better. Look at a few of our current “nationalised industries” - the NHS, massively inefficient and top heavy with people who don’t actually have anything to do with healthcare (the bureaucrats). And another well known nationalised industry - government. Rammed full of people not doing very much, full of expensive tradition that doesn’t care about cost. And that is just the commons. What business would allow people to give their mates a job for life, without any particular tasks to be done. They don’t even have to stay awake or be sober when at work (the Lords). And they all have massive pensions and subsidised catering. It’s crazily inefficient. British rail was pretty awful before privatisation. The only time when privatisation doesn’t work is when you privatise without competition, ie the Water companies in Englandshire. You don’t get to choose which water company you want to pay lots of money to so they can pass it on to their shareholders. Oh and reminiscing too. Oh and you did say water companies, so I guess I’ve just argued myself round to agreeing!
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Post by kris on Jul 18, 2023 15:17:25 GMT
So is that you for or against the idea? Or are you just reminiscing about your lost youth? Against, simply because history shows that nationalising things never makes them better. Look at a few of our current “nationalised industries” - the NHS, massively inefficient and top heavy with people who don’t actually have anything to do with healthcare (the bureaucrats). And another well known nationalised industry - government. Rammed full of people not doing very much, full of expensive tradition that doesn’t care about cost. And that is just the commons. What business would allow people to give their mates a job for life, without any particular tasks to be done. They don’t even have to stay awake or be sober when at work (the Lords). And they all have massive pensions and subsidised catering. It’s crazily inefficient. British rail was pretty awful before privatisation. The only time when privatisation doesn’t work is when you privatise without competition, ie the Water companies in Englandshire. You don’t get to choose which water company you want to pay lots of money to so they can pass it on to their shareholders. Oh and reminiscing too. Oh and you did say water companies, so I guess I’ve just argued myself round to agreeing! I’m definitely into selling the goverment off. Maybe to the Russians or the North Koreans?
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Post by fi on Jul 18, 2023 15:20:33 GMT
What I cant understand is that if a water company goes bust, the Government not only has to take it over but also pay it's debts. Why pay the debts............. it's a private company..........
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Post by dogless on Jul 18, 2023 16:05:41 GMT
They're only private whilst ripping cash out for themselves and shareholders.
Rog
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Post by kris on Jul 18, 2023 16:13:13 GMT
They're only private whilst ripping cash out for themselves and shareholders. Rog They did exactly the same thing for the banks remember?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2023 16:13:28 GMT
What I cant understand is that if a water company goes bust, the Government not only has to take it over but also pay its debts. Why pay the debts............. it's a private company.......... I suppose it’s because normally with a private company, if it goes bust its assets are sold off to help pay its debts. But you wouldn’t really want the reservoirs, sewage works and all the pipework sold off to the highest bidder who may or may not be interested in supplying water to the plebs.
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Post by dogless on Jul 18, 2023 16:32:18 GMT
I wouldn't want the idiocy of selling off any utilites.
Rog
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 18, 2023 16:50:44 GMT
I have this crazy mad idea that if all the profit went into repair and development instead of shareholder's bank accounts things might work a teensy weensy bit better.
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Post by fi on Jul 18, 2023 17:17:43 GMT
What I cant understand is that if a water company goes bust, the Government not only has to take it over but also pay its debts. Why pay the debts............. it's a private company.......... I suppose it’s because normally with a private company, if it goes bust its assets are sold off to help pay its debts. But you wouldn’t really want the reservoirs, sewage works and all the pipework sold off to the highest bidder who may or may not be interested in supplying water to the plebs. Just turn around and make a law that all assets that are used in supplying water/dealing with sewage must continue to do so until replaced with newer assets. Put the whole lot up for auction, if no one bids the Government bids 1p. Problem solved....
Governments like creating new laws that are fair.
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Post by Jim on Jul 18, 2023 17:24:03 GMT
What makes you think that. Because it’s my idea, so I’m making it up how I want. Without your nay saying, donkey. Horses nay, Donkey eyores.
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 18, 2023 17:31:18 GMT
I like it more than ayes and noes.
"All those voting 'eyore' exit on the left..."
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Post by on Jul 18, 2023 17:35:27 GMT
Tax bicycles.
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Post by Jim on Jul 18, 2023 17:57:47 GMT
Tax electric beer platforms.
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