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Post by on Aug 25, 2023 8:40:57 GMT
Its a good term to know about.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 25, 2023 9:46:35 GMT
Sorry,but to me he just seems like another George Ward(or whatever his name is).Quite happy to sit there in squalor paying nothing.How can he live on a boat(I use the term boat loosly)which he doesn't own but has no idea where the owner is ? A free loader on a wank bucket. I suppose it's either that or being homeless. The housing shortage in the UK is scandalous, the problem being that it is in the interest of the moneyed classes for it to exist.
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Post by peterboat on Aug 25, 2023 13:10:03 GMT
I would imagine it is because it has neither a home mooring nor any means of propulsion, and therefore it would be unlawful to issue a licence for it. I reckon the CRT have put a block on it being licensed because of it having gone into cc enforcement. I had this happen to me and it was quite funny because I also had a CRT mooring. I had to call them and point this out when I changed the boats around as I had been blocked from buying a licence for a boat without a mooring. It is a person-level block not a boat-level block. I'm not sure an engine is required. Being capable of navigating the waterway is an interesting one. I thought this originally came about because of an old Regents lighter barge which ended up at Uxbridge Browns Meadow LTM and subsequently had a second floor added. I don't think it is in law that the boat needs an engine although without one it would be pretty awkward to satisfy the board. Reasonable in the circumstances? No engine. We have had one move from the visitor moorings to tie along side another boat at Waddingtons moorings, they then went onto a paid mooring once their fortune was read to them. been overstaying for over a year and finally action was being taken about overstaying because the engine is broken So now no doubt she is having her moorings paid for her by the state
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Post by on Aug 25, 2023 13:32:17 GMT
Sorry,but to me he just seems like another George Ward(or whatever his name is).Quite happy to sit there in squalor paying nothing.How can he live on a boat(I use the term boat loosly)which he doesn't own but has no idea where the owner is ? A free loader on a wank bucket. I suppose it's either that or being homeless. The housing shortage in the UK is scandalous, the problem being that it is in the interest of the moneyed classes for it to exist. I think it is a mistake to assume that everyone on shed boats is penniless. Sone people probably quite like it and like the squatting it could easily be the case that people specifically want to 'break the rules' for political reasons or from the perception that it is a cool thing to do. Yes housing in this country is fucked and it is bad shit but I am not convinced thus is the cause of the problem. I think there are other factors at play here including the modern entitlement phenomenon.
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Post by on Aug 25, 2023 13:39:53 GMT
Arrr people a little reticent and cagey because its furriners?
One can not criticise.
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Post by Jim on Aug 25, 2023 14:47:16 GMT
Arrr people a little reticent and cagey because its furriners? One can not criticise. Are they furriners or just black English? That has nowt to do with it anyway, dickhead chancers are dickhead chancers, whatever their origin. I doubt Rainbow Selassie is his real name anyway, likely to have been changed for effect.
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Post by on Aug 25, 2023 15:16:55 GMT
Arrr people a little reticent and cagey because its furriners? One can not criticise. Are they furriners or just black English? That has nowt to do with it anyway, dickhead chancers are dickhead chancers, whatever their origin. I doubt Rainbow Selassie is his real name anyway, likely to have been changed for effect. i wish my wife was called Yah yah ETA no I meant 'always said Yah yah' " Do you think we should go for a cruise in the launch dear?" "Yah yah"
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Post by dogless on Aug 25, 2023 15:57:07 GMT
I'm fairly confident that a couple are unlikely to choose to sleep and live in an old, engineless wooden boat covered in tarps if they have an alternative residence readily available, or any other options.
However rough the boat is, it's got to be better than sleeping in the street.
I suspect many people finding themselves in this position have no alternative, yet sad as that is, I don't think C&RT are responsible and are right to pursue action to remove the wreck.
Speaking as someone with a house and a boat, I'm reluctant to pour scorn on someone with neither for their life choices.
Rog
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 25, 2023 16:01:45 GMT
I suppose it's either that or being homeless. The housing shortage in the UK is scandalous, the problem being that it is in the interest of the moneyed classes for it to exist. I think it is a mistake to assume that everyone on shed boats is penniless. You always say that. My experience was that most people living on boats were of somewhat limited means. But statistically speaking there must be more than one example of a rich guy doing it.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 25, 2023 16:03:51 GMT
I'm fairly confident that a couple are unlikely to choose to sleep and live in an old, engineless wooden boat covered in tarps if they have an alternative residence readily available, or any other options. However rough the boat is, it's got to be better than sleeping in the street. I suspect many people finding themselves in this position have no alternative, yet sad as that is, I don't think C&RT are responsible and are right to pursue action to remove the wreck. Speaking as someone with a house and a boat, I'm reluctant to pour scorn on someone with neither for their life choices. Rog It depends on why they have ended up there. Plenty of people start out with good intentions and due to bad luck and unforeseen circumstances outside their control, end up in the shit and on the street. For them, I have a lot of sympathy and I think it’s crazy that so much uk housing is either owned by non-resident foreigners or are second homes empty most of the time. On the other hand some people eschew conventional life, they won’t get a job, don’t want to conform with any social norms and can end up as “dossers” living on a slum boat. Entirely their choice, no element of bad fortune coming into it. For them, if their lifestyle relies on breaking the law and being subsidised by the taxpayer, I have little sympathy.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 25, 2023 16:07:08 GMT
As licence fees steadily increase while earnings generally stagnate, I can only see this situation becoming more of an issue for CRT. Each of these cases must cost a great amount of money to resolve, and there's generally little chance of recovering costs from the boaters concerned.
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 25, 2023 16:07:23 GMT
But how do you decide between the two cases, or is it that you feel more comfortable with the second one?
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Post by on Aug 25, 2023 16:07:28 GMT
I think it is a mistake to assume that everyone on shed boats is penniless. You always say that. My experience was that most people living on boats were of somewhat limited means. But statistically speaking there must be more than one example of a rich guy doing it. How did you acquire knowledge around their financial status? Did you just ask them? I bet you never thought my old friend Paul had a council flat. Surely nobody would live on such a terrible shed boat !
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 25, 2023 16:12:50 GMT
You always say that. My experience was that most people living on boats were of somewhat limited means. But statistically speaking there must be more than one example of a rich guy doing it. How did you acquire knowledge around their financial status? Did you just ask them? I bet you never thought my old friend Paul had a council flat. Surely nobody would live on such a terrible shed boat ! Actually he once offered it to me. And having a council flat generally doesn't indicate a lavish lifestyle, although if he was or is sub-letting the place then that would be an entirely different kettle of parsnips. To be fair, as I recall there was no suggestion of a fee.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 25, 2023 16:16:10 GMT
But how do you decide between the two cases, or is it that you feel more comfortable with the second one? Obviously I am not in a position to decide on a specific case (unless I knew the people well). My point was a general one. Some slum boaters are there through choice and quite happy with it, some are there through unfortunate circumstance outside their control and would prefer a better life, but for whatever reason can’t make it happen. That is all.
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