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Post by Telemachus on Mar 13, 2024 11:34:24 GMT
Virtually everyone is racist, get over it! It is only when racism (bred into us by millennia of natural selection) spills over into discriminatory action, that there is a problem. Yet you yourself have taken exception to homophobic posts, even though they are only words. Wasn't it something to do with gassing homos? Ah right I see you have trouble with the meaning of words. An action is when you do something. This might include hitting someone, denying them a job, or operating your mouth or a keyboard.
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Post by fi on Mar 13, 2024 11:40:00 GMT
Some delayed responses by the PM yesterday, who, despite being well qualified to understand racism, took 12 hours to accept that the party donor was racist. Ministers had already been trundled out with a thorough script denying any such thing. Though I've heard leading tories say the 10m should be repaid too Virtually everyone is racist, get over it! It is only when racism (bred into us by millennia of natural selection) spills over into discriminatory action, that there is a problem. Isn't that what the 'accused' did? i.e. 'operated his mouth'.
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Post by Jim on Mar 13, 2024 11:40:01 GMT
Yet you yourself have taken exception to homophobic posts, even though they are only words. Wasn't it something to do with gassing homos? Ah right I see you have trouble with the meaning of words. An action is when you do something. This might include hitting someone, denying them a job, or operating your mouth or a keyboard. So you didn't threaten to report Vince to the police for homophobic words?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 13, 2024 11:59:20 GMT
If someone gave me ten million quid and it later turned out that they were a racist, I wouldn't give the money back either.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 13, 2024 12:44:10 GMT
The answer is: it's none of my business. You wouldn't like it if Pacific islanders tried to stop rich westerners from abandoning their elderly parents to the state. You'd likely tell them to mind their own business, sort out their own problems first. And rightly so. Is Sharia law acceptable in mainly Muslim areas? Not in Britain. Britain has British law as part of its culture. If I spend time in a country which has Sharia law then I expect Sharia law to apply.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 13, 2024 12:46:38 GMT
Your feeling of cultural superiority over others seemingly knows no bounds. So you've no opinion, no common human morality to base an opinion on? There is no common human morality. This varies, by culture. I have my own of course, but I have no right to impose this on others. I'm not superior and I don't represent a superior culture. If there was a common human morality folk wouldn't be palming their elderly relatives off to the state. But they do. Within a culture in which many feel superior to those who, quite rightly, consider it their duty to care for their family members. Fancy that.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 13, 2024 13:13:11 GMT
If they return the money then that imply that the money was not to support the cause but to exert influence, surely? All political parties accept donations, large and small, should they vet everyone for their racist, sexist, homophobic stance? I don’t condone the guys beliefs and it would be a good lesson, he’s given the money and he isn’t going to benefit from the donation
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Post by fi on Mar 13, 2024 13:15:17 GMT
Is Sharia law acceptable in mainly Muslim areas? Not in Britain. Britain has British law as part of its culture. If I spend time in a country which has Sharia law then I expect Sharia law to apply. Is it acceptable to say you don't beleive Sharia Law is the right way to deal with 'issues' anywhere in the world?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 13, 2024 13:22:35 GMT
Not in Britain. Britain has British law as part of its culture. If I spend time in a country which has Sharia law then I expect Sharia law to apply. Is it acceptable to say you don't beleive Sharia Law is the right way to deal with 'issues' anywhere in the world? You could say that, but it would be a long way from the truth. If a country's history, traditions, religion etc. lead it to believe that Sharia law is the best system for that country, Sharia law it should be. If I, or anyone else personally, or as a collective finds aspects of Sharia law unpleasant, that's irrelevant.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 13, 2024 14:22:06 GMT
Virtually everyone is racist, get over it! It is only when racism (bred into us by millennia of natural selection) spills over into discriminatory action, that there is a problem. Isn't that what the 'accused' did? i.e. 'operated his mouth'. Yes. Oh dear let me explain in small words… The accusation is that he is racist. That is just a cheap unintelligent accusation thrown at people who have a different view. Of course he is racist, as I said most people are. So it is a pointless cheap accusation. What is more relevant is whether his words were lawful or not. Whether it was hate speech that could incite others to commit acts on grounds of race and in particular cause harm to the woman in question. Bearing in mind it was a private conversation within a small group about 5 years ago, that was not recorded (or at least we don’t have access to any recording), and so we are just hearing what someone else’s recollection of what he said was, missing the context and intent behind it, I would say that it was not hate speech nor was the woman in question in any way endangered by it nor even the slightest bit concerned about it - because neither she, nor anyone else outside the small group, knew about it. It only became an issue when someone decided 5 years later to breach confidence and publicise a short extract from a private conversation, for reasons of personal gain. So now the woman in question knows about it and probably feels unsettled or threatened by it. So IMO that person is more the guilty party, or at least just as guilty as the original “perpetrator”. Putting fear and alarm into an elderly black lady for personal and political gain.
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Post by fi on Mar 13, 2024 14:28:27 GMT
Isn't that what the 'accused' did? i.e. 'operated his mouth'. Yes. Oh dear let me explain in small words… Twat!
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Post by brummieboy on Mar 13, 2024 14:56:16 GMT
Let's be aware, the individual denies the words quoted, but admits insulting Ms Abbot. Even the BBC qualifies this in its revelry of the turmoil it is fomenting. His apology should be accepted in the same way that Ms Abbot's antisemitic tropes which led to her suspension in August last year. Obviously her 'apologies' were heartfelt, yet she still said the same in December last year. i suppose it was all raised to take the steam out of Angela Rayner's waffle which still needs explaining fully. Political sponsorship is always going to be contentious, but any attempts to curb this in the past have been fraught with difficulties, not least the Electoral Commissions restrictions on spending dependent on the the party/individual concerned. On top of those limits, sponsors can support individual M.P.'s such as Unions sponsoring an M.P.
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Post by Jim on Mar 15, 2024 9:09:25 GMT
So there's now a refusal to deny he's made further donations to the tory party this year, there's also plenty of evidence around he's made other racist statements to his staff. I suppose the knighthood is out the window now, what a waste of £10m + ! For the slow on the uptake amongst us, the police have cleared Angela of any misdeeds. The BBC is reporting the truth fairly, the fact that such matters "foment" "dissent" and opposition to the tories should be considered by those who spout nasty shite before they spout it. Doesn't surprise me that you wish to shut down fair comment, here's an idea, label any dissent to the tory line as "Extremist". Only extreme tory views allowed!
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 15, 2024 9:32:07 GMT
So there's now a refusal to deny he's made further donations to the tory party this year, there's also plenty of evidence around he's made other racist statements to his staff. I suppose the knighthood is out the window now, what a waste of £10m + ! For the slow on the uptake amongst us, the police have cleared Angela of any misdeeds. The BBC is reporting the truth fairly, the fact that such matters "foment" "dissent" and opposition to the tories should be considered by those who spout nasty shite before they spout it. Doesn't surprise me that you wish to shut down fair comment, here's an idea, label any dissent to the tory line as "Extremist". Only extreme tory views allowed! So what if he has made further donations? So what if he has made the odd “racist” comment in private? (although we only have other people with an agenda’s word for that). You only have to look on here, most people have said some sort of racist thing, usually in jest of course. But this is in writing on a public forum, not a private verbal chat. Taken out of context most of our members could be outlawed from donating to the Tory (or labour) party. The tragedy! Angela has allegedly not done anything actually illegal, but it is rather sleazy and not in keeping with a socialist ethos.
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Post by dogless on Mar 15, 2024 9:37:15 GMT
If he'd donated a million quid to Labour, does anyone think the money would be returned ?
The worst kind of tit-for-tat political slanging match.
Wouldn't it be great if our government and His Majesty's loyal opposition gave as much attention to our country's real problems ?
Rog
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