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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 17, 2024 22:03:51 GMT
Reading this, I reckon so. I wonder if the likes of Jim will now accept that it was a really stupid idea, that should never have gone further than the wet dreams of a huddle of large government totalitarians. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-68838440 |
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Post by kris on Apr 18, 2024 8:52:57 GMT
But it’s just about popularity before the election, not about the effectiveness of the policy.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 18, 2024 9:10:32 GMT
Scotland will get it next year. I'll wager we will afterwards.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 18, 2024 9:31:15 GMT
The Transport Minister this morning:
'We will prioritise schools, nurseries and places where the elderly congregate, in line with the existing policy, but make changes to reflect public opinion in other areas'.
Bullshit. A universal 20mph limit does not prioritise anything.
This is a capitulation from Welsh Labour.
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Post by ianali on Apr 18, 2024 9:56:00 GMT
Scotland will get it next year. I'll wager we will afterwards. I do wonder what wonders the Labour Party have planned for us. Increases in booze prices and decreases in speed limits is not ideal for my lifestyle. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 18, 2024 10:00:25 GMT
Talking of increases in booze prices the SNP plan to increase the minimum unit price of alcohol in Scotland from 50p to 65p.
This follows an increase in alcohol related deaths since 2021 in Scotland which matches the increase in England, where there is no minimum unit price.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 18, 2024 10:21:29 GMT
So minimum unit pricing makes no difference.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 18, 2024 10:29:48 GMT
So minimum unit pricing makes no difference. Well it certainly hasn't made a difference to most people. Possibly the alcoholic who buys the cheapest thing with alcohol in it, but even then since they are addicted, they will obtain the alcohol more or less regardless of the price, just cut down on something else instead. Like food.
What is somewhat more annoying than the min price is the ban on promotions. So gin is usually cheaper in an English supermarket, than in the same supermarket in Scotland.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 18, 2024 10:33:54 GMT
It depends on who you ask. The SNP will tell you it's proven to work. However, if you look at line graphs of the four home nations, two of which have minimum pricing, two which don't, the lines follow almost identical paths.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 18, 2024 10:35:20 GMT
The Transport Minister this morning: 'We will prioritise schools, nurseries and places where the elderly congregate, in line with the existing policy, but make changes to reflect public opinion in other areas'. Bullshit. A universal 20mph limit does not prioritise anything. This is a capitulation from Welsh Labour. I think that is what he is saying, they will end the universal 20 limit and just apply it where there is good reason to. Which is more or less back to square one. Apparently it is down to the departure of Drakeford and his sidekick Lee Waters who was some climate change minister. He probably never worked out that cars doing 20 creates more emisions than cars doing 30! |
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 18, 2024 10:36:08 GMT
It depends on who you ask. The SNP will tell you it's proven to work. However, if you look at line graphs of the four home nations, two of which have minimum pricing, two which don't, the lines follow almost identical paths. Yes as with anything like that which is difficult to pin down to hard facts, it all depends on what outcome you want to prove. |
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Post by Jim on Apr 18, 2024 12:03:02 GMT
Reading this, I reckon so. I wonder if the likes of Jim will now accept that it was a really stupid idea, that should never have gone further than the wet dreams of a huddle of large government totalitarians. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-68838440The likes of me don't have a problem with it, been to Wales a few times since it came in, just stuck to 2nd gear where it applies. What's the rush? |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 18, 2024 12:19:34 GMT
Just make it 10mph then. Save 5 more lives.
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Post by Jim on Apr 18, 2024 13:34:04 GMT
Just make it 10mph then. Save 5 more lives. A cynical view. I think you don't want to be limited, you really are for 40% more collisions. 6 to 10 lives lost. 1,200 to 2,000 people injured than now ? Be upfront about it, open about the consequences of your whim. |
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 18, 2024 13:49:12 GMT
Reading this, I reckon so. I wonder if the likes of Jim will now accept that it was a really stupid idea, that should never have gone further than the wet dreams of a huddle of large government totalitarians. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-68838440The likes of me don't have a problem with it, been to Wales a few times since it came in, just stuck to 2nd gear where it applies. What's the rush? Well, the rush is that life is short and you only have one. I’d prefer not to spend a good chunk of it doing 20 along a road that was previously 40, unless there is a good reason for the 20 limit. And time is money for commercial ops, so time wasted doing 20 reduces the wealth of the nation. Anyway, it’s kind of crazy that the discriminator is street lamps. So on well-lit roads you can only do 20, on unlit roads you can do 60. Where is the sense in that? |
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