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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 1, 2016 4:14:32 GMT
Yes, that's all fair enough, but I don't think I can comment more on this until I have seen all of the correspondence in black & white. If we are ever down your way happy to chat about it. In the meantime I guess I'll just have to read about the saga and wish you a happy outcome.
As I've said, when dealing with officialdom always take people's names and hold them to account for what they say or write. E-mails can always be printed out. Politeness always, and be prepared to back down with grace and dignity if one finds oneself in the wrong (I'm not saying you are).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 11:39:37 GMT
Naughtfox, I think you are under the missaprehension that CRT are a normal sane bunch who admit mistakes, and apologise, they do no such thing in my and some others experience. They just lie, like a desperate politician, and then when found out pretend it didnt happen. Yes you can go and talk to them face to face in Milton keynes , but they refuse to admit they are wrong, their idea of the legislation is completely distorted, you need a team of lawyers to decipher the half baked nonsense they come out with, and they are not willing to let a mere boater challenge their authority. The point you made about BSC and insurance companies, yes they may not insure you fully comp on a survey that shows below 4mm hull thickness, but there is no survey needed for third party only, and that is all that is required for licencing purposes. The reason why I didn't pay it are irrelevant, I wouldn't mind if CRT had told me the truth but they didn't, they lied that the court order prevented them from issuing another licence, and that they had the power to decide who it was " appropriate" to issue licences to, when they knew full well that they must issue a licence by law if the conditions are met. I don't like being lied to. I agree the reasons you didn't pay for a License are irrelevant,but the fact that you didn't has clouded your position for a lot of people, you must be aware of this,its been raised often enough on the other channel.I have supported your position over Tadworth in my postings both here and on the other channel because you have legality on your side but can I ask you,and being far from an idiot you must have thought about this also,why do you think CRT have singled you out ? You as far as I can see have attempted to link it to an Anti CC AGENDA by CRT which has received little support amongst fellow boaters simply because its not their experience and they doubt if CRT are that organised to implement such a thing,it doesn't matter if its Paying for overstays on VM or being refused the right to overstay in an emergency,its not their experience,in fact its not your experience either.Tadworth is purely a legal issue,are CRT going to uphold the Legislation or not and if not then how do we progress it further to ensure that they do.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 1, 2016 14:16:36 GMT
Yep. What are the next steps? What's supposed to be happening now? What do you want to happen, and how are you going about it?
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Post by PaulG2 on Jun 1, 2016 14:57:34 GMT
Is this your Tadworth?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 15:17:47 GMT
Is this your Tadworth? That's quite a contrasting pictures. Tadworth which must be getting on for 80 years old, floating on a canal basin at least a couple of hundred years old surrounded by modern buildings, paving and lighting that seem totally at odds to the poor old girl!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 1, 2016 15:47:45 GMT
And these days it's a long way to take chocolate crumb to Poland! A curse on Cadbury's!
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Post by tadworth on Jun 1, 2016 16:46:11 GMT
Yes that is Tadworth, with me winding in Paddington basin.
Yes some boaters have no sympathy with anyone who fails to pay their licence , some couldnt care less. Some have said they don't care if CRT breaks the law as long as its not them being harassed.
I started posting about legal issues because i had to learn fast for my own case, which I couldn't have got anywhere without Tony and Nigel helping me. What I found was that CRT are taking the piss out of the law all over the place, unfortunately very few boaters are interested in their rights being eroded away, I will probably shut up about it eventually, and leave them to it.
I spoke to one of the CRT enforcement fraggles yesterday, and they say they are busy "in meetings" until friday , I have demolished all the barriers they have put in my way, they haven't provided any justification or evidence for any of them when asked, nor do they admit any of their unlawfull actions were wrong, even though they have stated in writing facts that prove themselves guilty. What happens next is anyone's guess, they have already broken the law, i am still giving them every opportunity to comply with the law, if they refuse I will take great pleasure in seeing them explain all this in court.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 17:08:57 GMT
Yes that is Tadworth, with me winding in Paddington basin. Yes some boaters have no sympathy with anyone who fails to pay their licence , some couldnt care less. Some have said they don't care if CRT breaks the law as long as its not them being harassed. I started posting about legal issues because i had to learn fast for my own case, which I couldn't have got anywhere without Tony and Nigel helping me. What I found was that CRT are taking the piss out of the law all over the place, unfortunately very few boaters are interested in their rights being eroded away, I will probably shut up about it eventually, and leave them to it. I spoke to one of the CRT enforcement fraggles yesterday, and they say they are busy "in meetings" until friday , I have demolished all the barriers they have put in my way, they haven't provided any justification or evidence for any of them when asked, nor do they admit any of their unlawfull actions were wrong, even though they have stated in writing facts that prove themselves guilty. What happens next is anyone's guess, they have already broken the law, i am still giving them every opportunity to comply with the law, if they refuse I will take great pleasure in seeing them explain all this in court. Why do you feel you have been singled out ? For previous Non Licensing ?
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Post by smileypete on Jun 1, 2016 17:32:31 GMT
I agree the reasons you didn't pay for a License are irrelevant,but the fact that you didn't has clouded your position for a lot of people, you must be aware of this,its been raised often enough on the other channel.I have supported your position over Tadworth in my postings both here and on the other channel because you have legality on your side but can I ask you,and being far from an idiot you must have thought about this also,why do you think CRT have singled you out ? You as far as I can see have attempted to link it to an Anti CC AGENDA by CRT which has received little support amongst fellow boaters simply because its not their experience and they doubt if CRT are that organised to implement such a thing,it doesn't matter if its Paying for overstays on VM or being refused the right to overstay in an emergency,its not their experience,in fact its not your experience either.Tadworth is purely a legal issue,are CRT going to uphold the Legislation or not and if not then how do we progress it further to ensure that they do. A lot of your assertions just don't wash, and if you support CRT, why indeed are you not on the other channel which does have a gaggle of CRT supporters?
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Post by tadworth on Jun 1, 2016 17:51:00 GMT
Yes that is Tadworth, with me winding in Paddington basin. some boaters have no sympathy with anyone who fails to pay their licence , some couldnt care less. Some have said they don't care if CRT breaks the law as long as its not them being harassed. I started posting about legal issues because i had to learn fast for my own case, which I couldn't have got anywhere without Tony and Nigel helping me. What I found was that CRT are taking the piss out of the law all over the place, unfortunately very few boaters are interested in their rights being eroded away, I will probably shut up about it eventually, and leave them to it. I spoke to one of the CRT enforcement fraggles yesterday, and they say they are busy "in meetings" until friday , I have demolished all the barriers they have put in my way, they haven't provided any justification or evidence for any of them when asked, nor do they admit any of their unlawfull actions were wrong, even though they have stated in writing facts that prove themselves guilty. What happens next is anyone's guess, they have already broken the law, i am still giving them every opportunity to comply with the law, if they refuse I will take great pleasure in seeing them explain all this in court. Why do you feel you have been singled out ? For previous Non Licensing No idea yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 18:07:30 GMT
I agree the reasons you didn't pay for a License are irrelevant,but the fact that you didn't has clouded your position for a lot of people, you must be aware of this,its been raised often enough on the other channel.I have supported your position over Tadworth in my postings both here and on the other channel because you have legality on your side but can I ask you,and being far from an idiot you must have thought about this also,why do you think CRT have singled you out ? You as far as I can see have attempted to link it to an Anti CC AGENDA by CRT which has received little support amongst fellow boaters simply because its not their experience and they doubt if CRT are that organised to implement such a thing,it doesn't matter if its Paying for overstays on VM or being refused the right to overstay in an emergency,its not their experience,in fact its not your experience either.Tadworth is purely a legal issue,are CRT going to uphold the Legislation or not and if not then how do we progress it further to ensure that they do. A lot of your assertions just don't wash, and if you support CRT, why indeed are you not on the other channel which does have a gaggle of CRT supporters? What doesn't wash ? and where do I say that I support CRT ?
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Post by JohnV on Jun 1, 2016 18:11:15 GMT
A lot of your assertions just don't wash, and if you support CRT, why indeed are you not on the other channel which does have a gaggle of CRT supporters? I wasn't aware that an anti CRT bias was a requirement for membership of this site
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 18:13:06 GMT
Why do you feel you have been singled out ? For previous Non Licensing No idea yet. I am surprised you have no idea,its the first question I would have been asking myself. I don't really see how you can ultimately fail with this Tadworth situation,whats going on now in my opinion is a stalling exercise.I was reading in the Ombudsman reports earlier about a case where compensation was paid to a boater who was harassed in a BWML marina and out of fear upped and left in the middle of his Mooring Agreement so hopefully its far from lost where you are concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 19:41:30 GMT
A lot of your assertions just don't wash, and if you support CRT, why indeed are you not on the other channel which does have a gaggle of CRT supporters? I wasn't aware that an anti CRT bias was a requirement for membership of this site Smileypete is on record praising the Moderators on the other channel,indeed even offering them a virtual hug (censorship thread) perhaps its him that belongs on the other channel rather than me
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Post by PaulG2 on Jun 1, 2016 20:13:33 GMT
Why do you feel you have been singled out ? For previous Non Licensing No idea yet. That shows either a serious lack of introspect or a serious case of denial. If you want to know how to solve a problem, the first thing you have to do is figure out what that problem is. Nice looking hull, btw. I like the lines. Does it still look as tatty as it does in the photos? You never have answered, are you living on the boat?
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