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Post by john_holden on Apr 3, 2016 18:06:39 GMT
Then this confirms what I was saying. Some countries seem willing to ignore the EU and we choose not to. It's not our membership of the EU that is the problem if correct but rather our almost slavish following of the rules. there was a good argument put forward the other day by a political pundit for such an approach in that it takes so long for any penalties to be imposed that by the time they have been the industry concerned has recovered and considered worth paying. In that case we have been bending EU rules for decades with massive subsidies to the railways.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 3, 2016 19:07:43 GMT
Being a buy to let landlord who has retired much earlier than most on the proceeds I should be firmly in the 'in' crowd. Continued demand for a limited stock of housing as Britain continues to pay the likes of working tax credits and child tax credits alongside a higher minimum wage, in so doing making working here highly attractive compared to much of the E.U.: Higher resulting rents, what's not to like?
Well, quite a lot really.
First and foremost there's the impoverishment of British'working man'.
And then: having lived in both Poland and a poor region of Spain I've seen the unecessary roads that 'net recipients' of EU funds are able to build. Personally, living near the infamous A6 near Manchester, I'd prefer our contributions to be spent on this much needed bypass rather than blasting holes in mountains to enable one commuter a minute to travel quicker fromm Foz to Santiago de Compostella. Selfish? maybe, but there again I'd be happy to forego higher rents...
And finally, just as importantly: I think Britain is already overcrowded. Our infrastructure is already struggling to cope with the number of people who live here. I don't wish to see the country buried in concrete thanks, nor the floods etc. that result from this.
I'm very firmly out.
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Post by loafer on Apr 3, 2016 19:14:45 GMT
Being a buy to let landlord who has retired much earlier than most on the proceeds I should be firmly in the 'in' crowd. Continued demand for a limited stock of housing as Britain continues to pay the likes of working tax credits and child tax credits alongside a higher minimum wage, in so doing making working here highly attractive compared to much of the E.U.: Higher resulting rents, what's not to like? Well, quite a lot really. First and foremost there's the impoverishment of British'working man'. And then: having lived in both Poland and a poor region of Spain I've seen the unecessary roads that 'net recipients' of EU funds are able to build. Personally, living near the infamous A6 near Manchester, I'd prefer our contributions to be spent on this much needed bypass rather than blasting holes in mountains to enable one commuter a minute to travel quicker fromm Foz to Santiago de Compostella. Selfish? maybe, but there again I'd be happy to forego higher rents... And finally, just as importantly: I think Britain is already overcrowded. Our infrastructure is already struggling to cope with the number of people who live here. I don't wish to see the country buried in concrete thanks, nor the floods etc. that result from this.I'm very firmly out. I agree completely with the overcrowding thing, and have thought so for years. The trouble is, I don't have your confidence that 'leaving' will improve on that.
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Post by Higgs on Apr 3, 2016 21:13:07 GMT
It depends what you mean by support John? encouraging Industry to buy British or state subsidy? The latter I believe isn't permitted But my point was you seemed to be suggesting that the German government is in some way unilaterally supporting its steel industry despite it technically being against EU rules and the U.K. Govt. has opted not to. If that is correct what I am suggesting is the fault lies with our govt. If Germany can ignore the rules why can't we? All that said I don't actually know that the German govt. are.
First of all - is there any way to stop posts ending up with quotes in quotes in quotes. It's taking up far too much page space. What button do I press, just to quote the post I'm replying to?
For an EU to function without prejudice, surely countries should not be able to deal as they want; adopting some rules and not others. I realise that we have an opt-out clause where Schengen is concerned, but beyond agreed terms, the EU will continue to be flawed, if counties cherry pick rules to favour themselves. This is no better than 'home' rule.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 21:21:15 GMT
But my point was you seemed to be suggesting that the German government is in some way unilaterally supporting its steel industry despite it technically being against EU rules and the U.K. Govt. has opted not to. If that is correct what I am suggesting is the fault lies with our govt. If Germany can ignore the rules why can't we? All that said I don't actually know that the German govt. are.
First of all - is there any way to stop posts ending up with quotes in quotes in quotes. It's taking up far too much page space. What button do I press, just to quote the post I'm replying to?
For an EU to function without prejudice, surely countries should not be able to deal as they want; adopting some rules and not others. I realise that we have an opt-out clause where Schengen is concerned, but beyond agreed terms, the EU will continue to be flawed, if counties cherry pick rules to favour themselves. This is no better than 'home' rule.
That is a fair point, but it only works if every body plays by the same rules which doesn't appear to happen at the moment.
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Post by john_holden on Apr 4, 2016 9:24:11 GMT
All that said I don't actually know that the German govt. are.
First of all - is there any way to stop posts ending up with quotes in quotes in quotes. It's taking up far too much page space. What button do I press, just to quote the post I'm replying to?
For an EU to function without prejudice, surely countries should not be able to deal as they want; adopting some rules and not others. I realise that we have an opt-out clause where Schengen is concerned, but beyond agreed terms, the EU will continue to be flawed, if counties cherry pick rules to favour themselves. This is no better than 'home' rule.
Yes, edit them.What evidence do we really have that some countries cherry pick rules?
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Post by john_holden on Apr 4, 2016 16:27:51 GMT
Why not? Branson never was a hippy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 5:34:17 GMT
It was an absolute disgrace how he was allowed to retain the West Coast Franchise, The government had already given it the contract to the First Group until Branson launched a legal challenge and they backed down.It always struck me that First Group exited the scene very quietly though in the world of Government Contracts they were perhaps compensated " under the table " The best business to ever be in is one where the Government pay your wages.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 5, 2016 17:42:13 GMT
But my point was you seemed to be suggesting that the German government is in some way unilaterally supporting its steel industry despite it technically being against EU rules and the U.K. Govt. has opted not to. If that is correct what I am suggesting is the fault lies with our govt. If Germany can ignore the rules why can't we? All that said I don't actually know that the German govt. are. Well the fact is that Germany has a Steel Industry and we soon won't. Chinese Imports flooding the market and the cost of energy is the often quoted causes. I believe the German line is that they operate a policy of Vertical Integration which I understand means a buy German Policy to German Industry. Our government chooses not to follow that policy,why,I don't know. As an aside why is Britain always a seller of cornerstone industries,names such as Jaguar,Cadbury,Landrover? In Germany this is impossible to do with VW or BMW or even in France with some of their household names. Why isn't this being raised by the Labour Party?
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Post by peterboat on Apr 5, 2016 17:47:41 GMT
I thought all of the above companies were owned by private companies if they want to sell to the highest bidder what has it to do with the government? nothing really. If another company was doing a hostile purchase of a German company and the government disagreed surely the EU currently would tell the Germans to sod off and the sale would go through.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 18:02:47 GMT
No thats not the case,the State of Lower Saxony for example own 12% of Volkswagen, this is designed to prevent a foreign takeover,in fact there used to be a thing called Volkswagen Law where no one shareholder no matter how many shares they owned could gain control of Volkswagen.You will find that the EU have zero influence over German Business,thats because German Business is keeping the EU afloat.Watch the Germans antics if Britain votes to leave.Germany views these companies as cornerstones of German Identity,why doesn't Britain do likewise.
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Post by john_holden on Apr 5, 2016 18:43:41 GMT
No thats not the case,the State of Lower Saxony for example own 12% of Volkswagen, this is designed to prevent a foreign takeover,in fact there used to be a thing called Volkswagen Law where no one shareholder no matter how many shares they owned could gain control of Volkswagen.You will find that the EU have zero influence over German Business,thats because German Business is keeping the EU afloat.Watch the Germans antics if Britain votes to leave.Germany views these companies as cornerstones of German Identity,why doesn't Britain do likewise. Because we hate industry, all those nasty men with dirty finger nails. Yuk. Oh and that's not to mention them thinking that they should have a say in their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 20:29:01 GMT
Like I said before,all these great British Institutions have been sold to the highest bidder,Cadbury,Weetabix,Jaguar,Landrover, on and on it goes,Tetley Tea,Aston Martin,Bentley, Ford Transit built in Southampton,factory closed,production moved to Turkey where a new factory was built with EU aid and Turkey isn't in the EU. ?
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Post by peterboat on Apr 5, 2016 20:40:19 GMT
To be honest VW is not a good example as the court cases are mounting up against them and they could easily end up bankrupt due to inept handling of the emissions fiddle! However other companies can end up being secretly bought out over time as shares are bought and sold on the open market
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 20:48:46 GMT
To be honest VW is not a good example as the court cases are mounting up against them and they could easily end up bankrupt due to inept handling of the emissions fiddle! However other companies can end up being secretly bought out over time as shares are bought and sold on the open market I think your talking out of your rear end if you think the Emissions Case will alter the ownership of VW. I don't believe you will see Cornerstone German Companies ever being bought out as it is simply not in Germanys interest.Germany is an export led economy,why would they surrender control of the engine of their Economic Growth?
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