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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 21:30:35 GMT
A very handsome boat, and I can understand Gazza's enthusiasm. However it'd be hopeless to get you up and down Foxton, or along the Llangollen. Horses for courses. I love my muddy ditch boat thanks. Rog My Mrs would brain me if we fitted up the Northampton Arm, our last foray with the pensioners on the GU was the straw that broke the camel's back  I'd consider hiring to do the narrow bits I haven't done, other than that it's a view to the Trent across the Wash in a year or two's time. Or, if our rivers get gifted to C&RT she will be on to a lorry and back to her original Broadland stomping ground. |
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Post by JohnV on Nov 28, 2016 21:30:45 GMT
you're all just envious of her obscene mini gin palace. who wouldn't swap their well-loved homely sewer tube for a few feet of overpowered white gel coat? Sorry to say that I'm not envious at all, I'm not living on a well-loved homely sewer tube either, and the very last thing I would ever think of doing would be to swap with her. I've been living on this Dutch built boat since april 2004, I bought her in Berlin of a very wealthy German who had her built for him in 1993.
She's no good to waterski behind, but that doesn't bother me, I prefer boating.
Peter.
Peter You lucky bugger, that is a lovely boat. I have always liked Dutch designed steel cruisers (There was a lovely workboat owned by a friend which was built by a British builder but the design was pure De Groot ...... I lusted after it !!!) |
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Post by peterboat on Nov 28, 2016 22:32:10 GMT
you're all just envious of her obscene mini gin palace. who wouldn't swap their well-loved homely sewer tube for a few feet of overpowered white gel coat? Sorry to say that I'm not envious at all, I'm not living on a well-loved homely sewer tube either, and the very last thing I would ever think of doing would be to swap with her. I've been living on this Dutch built boat since april 2004, I bought her in Berlin of a very wealthy German who had her built for him in 1993.
She's no good to waterski behind, but that doesn't bother me, I prefer boating.
Peter.
There is something similar at sheffield basin on sale from CV Marine, unless its been sold but I did see her friday last, yours is a stunning boat |
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Post by patty on Nov 29, 2016 6:52:53 GMT
What a beautiful boat..wow, fab...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 8:19:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 8:21:22 GMT
But joking aside - I thought the old Dutch barge in your avatar was your boat Peter ?
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Post by bargemast on Nov 29, 2016 8:43:18 GMT
A very handsome boat, and I can understand Gazza's enthusiasm. However it'd be hopeless to get you up and down Foxton, or along the Llangollen. Horses for courses. I love my muddy ditch boat thanks. Rog To avoid misunderstanding Rog, I have absolutely nothing against Narrowboats at all, they are the only suitable boats for the narrow inland waterways of the UK.
If there are no narrow waterways to cruise, then there's no need to limit yourself to the 6'10" width, and as the waterways where I am are plenty wide enough, I prefer to live on a wider boat.
I've been on narrowboats on the canals in the UK with friends, and loved it, but on this side of the Channel they are (a bit) out off place, and not too well suitable for the big locks that you often have to share with several other much bigger barges, it's possible and some people have been doing it for years, but it's far from ideal, as the position of the dollies and T-studs aren't practical for handling lines in the bigger locks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 8:52:11 GMT
I understand totally.
I would love to do more rivers, but I'd want to be in a suitable boat.
Now I know plenty of people who do the Thames, Trent, Nene, Middle levels and even the Wash in their tin baths, but I am not one of them.
The only bits of rivers I have done, is to link up two canals (ie Stouport to Worcester or Oxford to Reading). I'm not saying people shouldn't do it, just that I don't.
I did do the Trent from Shardlow to do the Soar this summer, but I picked my moment. Saw some lovely big river boats too.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 29, 2016 9:38:04 GMT
But joking aside - I thought the old Dutch barge in your avatar was your boat Peter ? Yes, you are right, the small old Dutch barge in my avatar is my boat too, I even have a third one, a tiny 9m50 tjalk, which is Madness, as I can't afford to pay insurance, mooring fees and cruising licences for them anymore, as my retirement pension is next to nothing, and the money I have is tied up in my boats.
In my younger years I always had several barges at the same time, which wasn't a problem then, but it is now, mainly because of the lack of funds and my health that's making everything more difficult, and there's nothing more important than health.
The boat in my avatar I bought in 2014 to replace "JOY" with, as she's a lot cheaper to run, and I would like to do the smaller canals again, for which she's ideal with very little draft you can come in really close to the banks to tie up, which is good if you can't jump very well anymore.
Also selling "JOY" would supply me with the money to add to my retirement, and so allow me to enjoy the canal at least for quite a few more years.
If I wouldn't have had a serious heart problem in 2009, I would now have been living on a very pretty small tankerbarge that I bought in 2007 and was well on my way with her conversion when I ended up at the emergencies with my heart that didn't beat the way it should, and only because of my cardiologist who said that if I still wanted to live a few years I should stop with working, and so I sold her in 2009 with a bleeding heart, as that would have been my barge to retire on.
My wifi signal is extremely bad right now, and I can't add a photo now, if it's possible later on, I will post a photo of her. 
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Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2016 10:35:52 GMT
Again Peter, that is a lovely boat.
You might be having problems at the moment Peter but you have been blessed by having owned so many wonderful boats at other times.
That is far more than some people achieve.
Good fortune in sorting out your temporary problems.
It is not easy getting going again after serious illness.
A little bit more every day Matey
cheers
John
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Post by bargemast on Nov 29, 2016 11:07:16 GMT
Again Peter, that is a lovely boat. You might be having problems at the moment Peter but you have been blessed by having owned so many wonderful boats at other times. That is far more than some people achieve. Good fortune in sorting out your temporary problems. It is not easy getting going again after serious illness. A little bit more every day Matey cheers John Thanks John, my memory is quite good, and I often live in memories of the past when everything was still fine and beautiful.
I know that I've been fortunate with all the beautiful (and a few less beautiful) barges and boats I've owned over the years.
One thing I regret is that I can't delete certain things of my memory, as that would make my life a lot easier and happier.
But I won't complain, as you don't gain anything but frustration by complaining.
Looking around at what's happening all over the world, I should be more then happy to be as- and where I am.
My heart is more or less under control at the moment, which is quite a relieve, but neither me nor my cardiologist understood why I had these problems.
Being a non-smoker, T-total, vegetarian and quite sporty who never had any health issues before, well it worked out that that was something I inherited from my parents who died more than 40 years ago because of heart problems, still I don't complain, they were lovely parents that I won't forget.
With a bit (or more likely a lot) of luck the sun will shine again in a few months, and it will all work out eventually.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 11:48:09 GMT
Yes. The Tjalk (?) looks like a more manageable boat for smaller waterways. The other one (is it a 'Kotter?') Is very nice but I would have though a bit impractical for canal use. I know the canals there are bigger but I would expect a barge to be easier to handle generally. I have had narrow boats and barges and a small motorsailer. I find the barge much easier to handle than the ,24ft motorsailer which I used on the Thames. Something nice about a Heavy flat bottom boat steered from the stern end |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 12:04:17 GMT
I understand totally. I would love to do more rivers, but I'd want to be in a suitable boat. Now I know plenty of people who do the Thames, Trent, Nene, Middle levels and even the Wash in their tin baths, but I am not one of them. The only bits of rivers I have done, is to link up two canals (ie Stouport to Worcester or Oxford to Reading). I'm not saying people shouldn't do it, just that I don't. I did do the Trent from Shardlow to do the Soar this summer, but I picked my moment. Saw some lovely big river boats too. Rog There are loads of folks who hog the moorings in their gert big narrowboats on my patch, no reason why you should not join the serried ranks of visitors The bollocks about the Nene going on flood at the drop of a hat is just that! since the biggie in '98 a huge amount of work has been down in the upper catchment area to provide more storage. We flood regularly thru the winter it normally takes a good week of rain to get to that state - if you are aware of whats going on around you there is no reason to get caught out. We have had a good run from the end of March to last week between SSA. Cruising wise it can take as little as 20 hours from Northampton to leaving the Nene and Stanground for the sanctuary of the Middle levels, 2 days cruise with a break at Wadenhoe is easy for most fit crews. |
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Post by bargemast on Nov 29, 2016 12:28:49 GMT
Yes. The Tjalk (?) looks like a more manageable boat for smaller waterways. The other one (is it a 'Kotter?') Is very nice but I would have though a bit impractical for canal use. I know the canals there are bigger but I would expect a barge to be easier to handle generally. I have had narrow boats and barges and a small motorsailer. I find the barge much easier to handle than the ,24ft motorsailer which I used on the Thames. Something nice about a Heavy flat bottom boat steered from the stern end The Tjalk (?) is a Rietaak, the stern is the same as a Tjalk, but the bow doesn't have that caracteristic strong stem, it was cheaper to make a bow like that, she was built in 1917 (1920 on her papers) and she was shortened at some stage from 18 to just Under 15 meters, and with her 4 m width is spacious for her size.
"JOY" is a Broesderkotter 1475 OK, 14m75 long and 4m35 wide, she has a draft of about 1m35, and because of her shape can still come in fairly close to the bank.
She's twin engined, with only 1m04 heart to heart between the props, that are well protected by long skegs (which you can see on the photos), and can run without any problem on only 1 engine, as the rudders are big she won't crab, and with everything that folds down down, she'll fit under the bridges of the Freycinet canals, of which I used several to get her from Berlin to Burgundy.
I agree on the easier handling of barges, and if the authorities wouldn't have become so difficult, I would have kept a lovely 38m tankerbarge I had, that had the shape of a luxemotor, only without the sheer.
She only had a 100hp @1250n air start 4 cylinder Baudouin DK-4 engine, and was much faster than many much more powerful barges due to her good underwater lines.
Because of all these rules, I stay below the 15m limit now, to avoid extra problems that I really don't need anymore.
"Joy" handles extremely well too, if needs be with both engines you can do almost anything, and if you need more there's even an hydraulic bow thruster, that I've never used, I've never had one on my barges either, but as it's there, I'm not going to remove it, it may be reassuring for her next owner if the time comes.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 12:57:43 GMT
I had your barge down as a Tjalk but had noticed the lack of the big stem. Never been keen on the Tjalk bows. I prefer the aak bow myself.
We come to Burgundy quite regularly by car or by train as my children's maternal grandparents and uncles and aunts and cousins (there are loads of them...) live in Dijon where my misses was born (1 of seven children most of whom now have 2 or more children...)
Anyway I have some vague intention to bring one of my boats (12.5m steel canal boat) to France as it would be nice to cruise through to Burgundy. Got a road transport quote for Rochester to Dunkirk would be around £1200 so not bad. I know the northern french waterways are a bit commercial so nay be worth getting further inland as it is only a small boat.
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