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Post by bargemast on Nov 29, 2016 13:45:28 GMT
I had your barge down as a Tjalk but had noticed the lack of the big stem. Never been keen on the Tjalk bows. I prefer the aak bow myself. We come to Burgundy quite regularly by car or by train as my children's maternal grandparents and uncles and aunts and cousins (there are loads of them...) live in Dijon where my misses was born (1 of seven children most of whom now have 2 or more children...) Anyway I have some vague intention to bring one of my boats (12.5m steel canal boat) to France as it would be nice to cruise through to Burgundy. Got a road transport quote for Rochester to Dunkirk would be around £1200 so not bad. I know the northern french waterways are a bit commercial so nay be worth getting further inland as it is only a small boat. Many boats that do the trip from the UK to France by road do go a bit further and are launched about 40 kms from where I am, at a yard owned by an Englishman named Simon Evans based at Laroche Migennes, junction of the river Yonne and the Burgundy canal, and 20kms away from Auxerre at the end, of the most beautiful canal in Burgundy the Canal du Nivernais.
Most boat that arrive there are moved by CPL cpltrans.com/, but it's always good to get a few other quotes too, Ray Bowern www.bargemovers.com/ sometimes can get you a good deal, and it may even be good to get in touch with Dutch boatmovers just to name one www.vandewetering.nl/en/boat-transport/ that often delivers boats to the UK, and may be willing to give you a better price on a return load with a slight D-tour to France, it's always worth a call or a mail to check it out.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 14:06:55 GMT
Yes I have visited Evans marine by car this is a good option indeed. I had a quote from cpl to take my barge (17.5x3.6m) there but have not approached them about a quote for the smaller boat. The company I contacted for the smaller boat was Boatshift.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 14:09:46 GMT
Out of interest for the smaller boat (12.5x2.6m x 15 tonnes Boatshift quoted 1/2 of what Ray Bowern quoted (both excl craneage). I had previously also asked for a quote from Boatshift for my barge but it was too large for them to handle.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 29, 2016 14:47:04 GMT
Out of interest for the smaller boat (12.5x2.6m x 15 tonnes Boatshift quoted 1/2 of what Ray Bowern quoted (both excl craneage). I had previously also asked for a quote from Boatshift for my barge but it was too large for them to handle. That's a huge difference then, I didn't say that Ray Bowern was cheaper, but that he sometimes could get you a good deal, which clearly wasn't the case this time.
All I can advise you, is to spend some time on the phone, or better on the computer to get a quote in writing, from as many different companies as you can find for the job, there may be one that needs a return job, and therefor will do it much cheaper than other companies will quote you.
I've been craned out (and in) 3 times at Evans yard, but the first 2 times were when the yard was still owned by the previous owner Jo Parfitt, who was of English nationality too, and only once at Simons in 2015 with the Rietaak, I was out for 1 month but couldn't work for 10 days because the yard was flooded.
During the year I very often visit his yard by car, to see friends, and just to see what they are upto, as it's only about 12 kms from the mooring I have for the Rietaak, and I do like to visit boatyards, but to be honest, I prefer to see the yards where they deal with commercial barges, still Migennes is a good compromise.
This years has been much worse as the floods were even more serious and lasted longer, and the river was closed for many more weeks after to repair all the damage caused by the floods, and to avoid accidents that could have easily occured by the many hireboats that are cruising there.
Peter.
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Post by bodger on Nov 29, 2016 14:57:07 GMT
'snot quiet any more, izzit?
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Post by kris on Nov 29, 2016 15:51:33 GMT
"I did do the Trent from Shardlow to do the Soar this summer" How did that go? I have looked at that junction and asked about it before. Had it planned for next Summer, now thinking of doing it at Christmas 2017: from Wolverhampton to Burton to Market Harborough. We only have 10hp - but did have an offer for someone to shadow us in a more powerful narrowboat. Back to the grind now... well, someone has to pay for Mr Parry's bonus. if it's in flood no you won't be able. But there's a flood lock at the bottom of the T&M. If it's at ordinary levels you should be okay, but depends on how your boat swims. Is the prop the right size!
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 29, 2016 16:03:26 GMT
"Is the prop the right one?" - Who can say??!! I can't see us buying a new propellor just to do a 'turn right for Leicester' We'll stop before the river and ask advice and see if anyone with a big engine will act as a sherpa. Idea, as before, is L&L for next Summer, to Selby and back to Nantwich, October to the Staffs & Worcs (Otherton Marina?), Christmas to Market Harborough, March 2018 to Braunston, Summer 2018 to London & Bishops Stortford & Hertford. 2019 Summer Kennet & Avon. 2020 Summer the mysterious Fenlands.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2016 16:24:40 GMT
Ross, The Trent from Shardlow to the Soar is pretty benign under normal conditions. As Peter says there are flood gates just below Shardlow which if it's flooding will have an indicator (light?) and another flood lock above Sawley. It's a smashing run around there, it's worth a stop at the Erewash which is an easy to miss tunnel like entrance on the North bank by a big Pub. If you are going straight into the Soar you need to keep to the South bank and keep right to avoid the huge Thrumpton weir. Again the Soar is a delightful river and a pleasure to boat down in normal weather conditions. The top end of the Trent from Beeston to Meadow Lane lock is really a canal and holds no terrors.
I thoroughly enjoyed the area round the bottom end of the T&M and the top end of the Trent, providing you are sensible and stay safe when strong stream warnings are in force it's not a problem area. Shapfell trotted around that area very happily and and she is not exactly over engined
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 29, 2016 16:28:24 GMT
Yes, well, all in its own time... we have to get past kris twice before we get to the Trent junction! Any advice on how to do that??!!
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Post by Jim on Nov 29, 2016 16:33:51 GMT
Yes, well, all in its own time... we have to get past kris twice before we get to the Trent junction! Any advice on how to do that??!! A certain give away odour in the air as you approach? Time to go into stealth mode, wig, beard and dark glasses? And before anyone else says it, "twat"!
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Post by kris on Nov 29, 2016 17:26:51 GMT
Yes, well, all in its own time... we have to get past kris twice before we get to the Trent junction! Any advice on how to do that??!! Make sure you have the right prop.
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Post by kris on Nov 29, 2016 17:32:09 GMT
Ross, The Trent from Shardlow to the Soar is pretty benign under normal conditions. As Peter says there are flood gates just below Shardlow which if it's flooding will have an indicator (light?) and another flood lock above Sawley. It's a smashing run around there, it's worth a stop at the Erewash which is an easy to miss tunnel like entrance on the North bank by a big Pub. If you are going straight into the Soar you need to keep to the South bank and keep right to avoid the huge Thrumpton weir. Again the Soar is a delightful river and a pleasure to boat down in normal weather conditions. The top end of the Trent from Beeston to Meadow Lane lock is really a canal and holds no terrors. I thoroughly enjoyed the area round the bottom end of the T&M and the top end of the Trent, providing you are sensible and stay safe when strong stream warnings are in force it's not a problem area. Shapfell trotted around that area very happily and and she is not exactly over engined peter?
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Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2016 17:56:11 GMT
Ross, The Trent from Shardlow to the Soar is pretty benign under normal conditions. As Peter says there are flood gates just below Shardlow which if it's flooding will have an indicator (light?) and another flood lock above Sawley. It's a smashing run around there, it's worth a stop at the Erewash which is an easy to miss tunnel like entrance on the North bank by a big Pub. If you are going straight into the Soar you need to keep to the South bank and keep right to avoid the huge Thrumpton weir. Again the Soar is a delightful river and a pleasure to boat down in normal weather conditions. The top end of the Trent from Beeston to Meadow Lane lock is really a canal and holds no terrors. I thoroughly enjoyed the area round the bottom end of the T&M and the top end of the Trent, providing you are sensible and stay safe when strong stream warnings are in force it's not a problem area. Shapfell trotted around that area very happily and and she is not exactly over engined peter? sorry Kris was crossing up the posts ... thought it was bargemast said it Doh!!!
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Post by kris on Nov 29, 2016 18:00:32 GMT
I mentioned the flood lock John. I might not have worded it the best way but what I was asking foxy is. Does your boat sail okay on the cut? Does it seem slow? If it sails okay on the canal it will be alright fom the bottom of the T&M to the soar under normal conditions.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2016 18:07:18 GMT
sorry Kris, what you posted was perfectly clear ...I wasn't questioning it , just adding to it. Sorry I just got who posted what mixed up in my head while I was typing
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