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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 17:21:03 GMT
So if you are after improving cooling (and in particular keeping oil temps down) I'd do the following:- Oil cooler as shown. Possibly an Oil filter sandwich plate if you don't have any external oil lines to tee into. Circulating pump same as the one I got. Header tank for filling and expansion. Radiator and electric fan along with a thermostat controller www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/adjustable-fan-controller-thermostat. Heater blower box, loads available www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/compact-heater-matrix-and-fan-kit. Plumb it all up, set the stat to about 90-95 degrees, Bob's yer uncle, better oil temperature regulation and decent cabin heating to boot At the moment I have the engine's standard air blown oil cooler plus filter sandwich plate, an in line oil temp thermostat and the external oil cooler hanging in the breeze. It works very well for keeping the oil at a constant temp about 85degs. I'm thinking I could plumb in the water cooled one in it's place. If I ever bother! Pipe dreams... The downside is that it runs hotter in the summer so the heat would need getting rid of somewhere without having the heater on. The radiator would do that, the cabin heater is supplemental to it, you could also use the oil cooler stat to power the water cooling circuit pump, set it so it comes on at about 60 degrees so the oil isn't taking forever to get to temperature. I would want the oil/water cooler as an extra, can you fit a smallish rad somewhere?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 17:22:37 GMT
with all these posts of other people's jobs I thought I would put up some shots of the jobs I have been doing over the last few weeks. This was an under used cupboard with only vacuum cleaner kept in it. Now racked out for the most used power tools and small parts etc SAM_0600 by mudlarker2, on Flickr This is the engine room stores (basically a cupboard under the stairs) now sorted out (The only thing not there at the moment is the welder which normally lives on the wall hooks) SAM_0601 by mudlarker2, on Flickr The new (at least new to me) radar and mounting brackets SAM_0594 by mudlarker2, on Flickr The 24V distribution panel swapped round with the new solar controller fitted SAM_0602 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Finally the mounting brackets for the new solar panels first group fixed to roof (rest to follow when there's another dry day) SAM_0598 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Nice work Wayne, Proof they are never finished!
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 15, 2016 17:32:44 GMT
At the moment I have the engine's standard air blown oil cooler plus filter sandwich plate, an in line oil temp thermostat and the external oil cooler hanging in the breeze. It works very well for keeping the oil at a constant temp about 85degs. I'm thinking I could plumb in the water cooled one in it's place. If I ever bother! Pipe dreams... The downside is that it runs hotter in the summer so the heat would need getting rid of somewhere without having the heater on. The radiator would do that, the cabin heater is supplemental to it, you could also use the oil cooler stat to power the water cooling circuit pump, set it so it comes on at about 60 degrees so the oil isn't taking forever to get to temperature. I would want the oil/water cooler as an extra, can you fit a smallish rad somewhere? It's one of those things that seem like a good idea until you get to the practicalities! However if I could design a kit there's be money to be made. Same vehicle steering rack conversion would be a money maker, many have tried, nobody has come up with an elegant solution. Nor can I and I've tried!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 17:35:50 GMT
The radiator would do that, the cabin heater is supplemental to it, you could also use the oil cooler stat to power the water cooling circuit pump, set it so it comes on at about 60 degrees so the oil isn't taking forever to get to temperature. I would want the oil/water cooler as an extra, can you fit a smallish rad somewhere? It's one of those things that seem like a good idea until you get to the practicalities! However if I could design a kit there's be money to be made. Same vehicle steering rack conversion would be a money maker, many have tried, nobody has come up with an elegant solution. Nor can I and I've tried! Yes, that's true! I've driven both a bay and a type 2, the bay felt like it steered by tiller with worn rudder pintles. The type 2 was only marginally better!
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 15, 2016 17:38:47 GMT
It's one of those things that seem like a good idea until you get to the practicalities! However if I could design a kit there's be money to be made. Same vehicle steering rack conversion would be a money maker, many have tried, nobody has come up with an elegant solution. Nor can I and I've tried! Yes, that's true! I've driven both a bay and a type 2, the bay felt like it steered by tiller with worn rudder pintles. The type 2 was only marginally better! A bay is a type 2. the next model T25 had a rack, much better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 17:46:33 GMT
Yes, that's true! I've driven both a bay and a type 2, the bay felt like it steered by tiller with worn rudder pintles. The type 2 was only marginally better! A bay is a type 2. the next model T25 had a rack, much better. Ah right, not big on the different variants! (As you can no doubt tell What I thought was a type 2 is the T25 then. We went to Cornwall in that in 2002,my mate's girlfriend's dad had brought it as a summer play thing for her, it was OK, wouldn't repeat it though The Bay was a friend of mine's new purchase, he had plans to travel far and wide in it, let me have a go to see how great it was, at the time I was driving a fairly heavily modified Capri, the bay didn't impress at all! I sent a mate packing with the most rotten splitty I have seen, he thought it only needed a few patches, the bastard thing looked like it had been parked in a salt mine for most of its life, no way I wanted to get involved nailing that back together!
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 15, 2016 18:46:23 GMT
Wise decision, I was into double figures restoring very rotten bay windows before I stopped, it's a thankless task. Last one I kept and kitted out with a good interior and decent engine. I lived in it for 8 months before I found my boat. Moving into the 50ft boat was like moving into a mansion.
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Post by tonyqj on Dec 15, 2016 20:27:56 GMT
Mate had a Type 2 many years ago and it was approaching end of life and creating its own mobile smoke screen. He'd decided to go down to Devon in it and as he travelled through Coventry he picked up a cop car on his tail. It followed him all the way out of Cov until he pulled into a petrol station close to Warwick. The copper got out of his car, saw my mate filling up and just nodded then got back in his cop car. My mate couldn't stand the suspense so he walked over and asked if there was a problem. "Just making sure you're driving out of my patch!" came the reply
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 20:55:05 GMT
Swerving back to boat bodging, today I snaffled a nice aluminium enclosure that is destined to become the two port header tank for the Webasto. Compiled a list of plumbing fittings for altering the cooling system and drank large amounts of coffee in between earning a living
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Post by smileypete on Dec 15, 2016 23:12:54 GMT
I was going to use one of those box thingy things (Been studying Patty's posts ) but after examining SmileyPete's drawings with an intense scrute .... found I didn't have to ..... which saved me lots of wonga Yes, I do like that set up. To be fair, our websato has been having a tantrum of late, I have no idea why but it gets air locks sharing the engine circuit and trips out over temp, Nema has given it a clean bill of health so I thought while I'm buggering about I'd give it its own dedicated system but still wanted to retain the option of preheating the engine Could you put some sort of air separator in the return line to the Webasto? I'm sure with your welding skills you could fab something. With a bit of lateral thinking, a very small CH airing cupboard radiator or small towel rail could be installed into the return to the Webasto and serve as an air separator, plus it's be a nice touch to have nice warm towels before showering.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 16:06:55 GMT
Yes, I do like that set up. To be fair, our websato has been having a tantrum of late, I have no idea why but it gets air locks sharing the engine circuit and trips out over temp, Nema has given it a clean bill of health so I thought while I'm buggering about I'd give it its own dedicated system but still wanted to retain the option of preheating the engine Could you put some sort of air separator in the return line to the Webasto? I'm sure with your welding skills you could fab something. With a bit of lateral thinking, a very small CH airing cupboard radiator or small towel rail could be installed into the return to the Webasto and serve as an air separator, plus it's be a nice touch to have nice warm towels before showering. I might be able to get a 300x400 single rad in there, it's a small space so I would have to put the tape over it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 16:16:09 GMT
Steady week this week, busy wrapping up loose ends at work so not a huge amount of spare time to play with boat bits. Today I made up 4 battery interlink cables as I had donated the last lot to my mate seeing as I didn't need any till spring! Boshed a couple of holes into what will be the header tank, I will expand on this later as I'm about to pick the dwarf up
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 17:48:25 GMT
The header tank is a redundant aluminium enclosure, we used it as a steam generator to conduct exhaustive tests on seam failure temperature points on a new process we were trailing, it sat on a homebrew halogen lamp powered heat source. We were running at about 2 bar of steam and it held up nicely. Once built up the lid will be snotted up around the seal with RTV sealant as it will never have to come to bits again. I'm going to fit 22mm tank connectors to connect to the 22mm return spine. It's to be mounted lengthways tight up under the deck boards, the 15mm tank connector we used as the steam take off will be used to fill the system. If you are after cheap plumbing fittings this lot are worth a look. www.jtmplumbing.co.uk/
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Post by smileypete on Dec 16, 2016 18:27:18 GMT
For a rudimentary air separator for trapping limited amounts of air before it gets back to the Webasto, this might do OK: If excess air is getting into the engine cooling system, something to watch out for is a defective or overly strong vacuum return spring in the radiator cap: www.google.co.uk/search?q=radiator+cap+vacuum+spring&tbm=ischParticularly as standard CH bits with seals aren't designed for a vacuum so may leak air when used on an engine system.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 18:28:10 GMT
Ta! I wasnt aware that could be a problem and may explain why this problem has appeared! A new cap would have been cheaper and easier to fit.....
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