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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 20, 2017 12:58:36 GMT
C&RT's tripe pedlars have been at work again :~
20 February 2017
CANAL & RIVER TRUST SETS OUT PLANS TO REVIEW BOAT LICENSING
The Canal & River Trust is announcing the start of the first phase of its independent consultation about how boats are licensed on its waterways. The current licensing system has remained largely unchanged for more than two decades and is often cited by boat owners as being complex and out of date.
The consultation will be run by Involve, an independent charity specialising in public engagement. It aims to ask boaters the fairest and simplest way to split the important financial contribution made by the different types of boats and boaters towards the upkeep of the waterways.
The first step in a three-stage consultation is just starting. In stage one, Involve will interview representatives from the main boating organisations to find out their views on how the consultation should work and what it should cover.
During the second stage, which will run from April, Involve will host a series of in-depth workshops with boaters across the country. Participants will reflect the diversity in the boating community.
The final stage will be a consultation for all boat owners to give their views on the options developed during the two previous stages.
Ian Rogers, customer service and operations director at Canal & River Trust, said: “The current licensing system has been in place for over twenty years. Boating has changed a lot in the meantime and the Trust wants to ensure the licensing structure is fit for purpose. Feedback from boaters suggests that many feel the current licensing is overly complex and can be perceived as unfair, and this consultation seeks to discuss these areas of concern.
“It’s more important than ever that we plan to ensure the long-term sustainability of our waterways so that boaters can continue enjoying them both now and in the future. With income from licensing playing an important part in the charity’s finances it is essential that it is spread fairly across all types of boaters as well as other income sources like property, utilities and fundraising. This is the most significant review of licensing in a generation and I welcome the fact that boaters will be helping to decide the shape of things to come.”
Diane Beddoes, Associate at Involve, added: “We’re delighted to be able to help the Trust complete this important piece of work. Our brief is to apply our principles of transparency, inclusiveness and collaboration to ensure that boaters are fully involved in helping create a balanced and simple boat licensing system.”
Boat organisations in the first stage include:
Organisation: Representing:
Association of Waterway Cruising Clubs (AWCC) Cruising Club boaters
British Marina Inland Boating (BMIB) Canal Businesses
British Marine National Trade representing all trade
Community Boat Association Charity boat owners
Dutch Barge Association Wide beam owners
Historic narrow boat club Historic narrow boat owners
Hotel Boat Association Hotel Boat Owners
Inland Waterway Association (IWA) All boating segments
National Association of Boat Owners (NABO) All boating segments
National Bargee Travellers Association (NBTA) Continuous Cruisers
Navigational Advisory Group
(Licensing & Moorings) All boating segments
Residential Boat Owners’ Association Residential boaters
Roving Continuous Traders Association (RCTA) Roving Traders – Continuous Cruisers
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Fran Read
National Press Officer
M 07796 610 427
Canal & River Trust, Toll House, Delamere Terrace, London, W2 6ND
Twitter: @crtcomms
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 13:06:20 GMT
It's good that they have a consultation process before they do whatever they intended to do anyway, but blame us.
Rog
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Post by kris on Feb 20, 2017 16:01:48 GMT
You would almost think that the iwa had pre knowledge of this. Given the statement that they put put out last week about lobbying Crt to charge widebeams more. I wonder if they will try to get rid of the pleasure boat certificate?
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Post by tadworth on Feb 20, 2017 16:34:11 GMT
They want to restructure licencing to distance themselves from the statutory process, to make it appear that the licence is now a civil contract, the use of this independent body is to deflect any blame, the whole thing will be started from an assumption that their interpretation of the 1962 transport act sect 43 is fact and as that is wrong, the outcome will be wrong too. Classic tactic, have a shiny new relaunch and use it to cover up that you have changed the contract or increased the prices, retail and utilities companies use it all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 17:47:42 GMT
So what do you think C&RT are looking to introduce on the back of this licensing review?
Obviously increased fees for wide beams seems the flavour of the moment.
Any other obvious 'stalking horse' bids?
Rog
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Post by tadworth on Feb 20, 2017 19:32:39 GMT
"the licensing system has remained largely unchanged for more than two decades and is often cited by boat owners as being complex and out of date."
Is the same bullshit they used before bringing in the illegal charges for overstaying, they were found out by a FOI request which uncovered there were no complaints.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 19:38:29 GMT
You would almost think that the iwa had pre knowledge of this. Given the statement that they put put out last week about lobbying Crt to charge widebeams more. I wonder if they will try to get rid of the pleasure boat certificate? Les etheridge and Gren Messham were lobbying for this in every meeting since 2014. It's nothing to do with boat owners moaning, it's all iwa and awcc, of whom the latter, Parry is a member of. |
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Post by peterboat on Feb 20, 2017 22:40:36 GMT
Its all a pile of shit to get boaters to splash out more cash full stop they forget that widebeams cant get from north to south or use large amounts of the waterways just a bunch of bent crooks! I will be asking RBOA is going to say on this matter if they are backing change they will go the same way as the IWA in the bin
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Post by kris on Feb 20, 2017 23:10:02 GMT
I think crt/Iwa will see this as an opportunity to control cc'ers by increasing the cost of liscencing a boat without a home mooring.as well as increased cost for widebeams.
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 21, 2017 9:55:25 GMT
People sitting in an office trying to look busy.
There appears an unwillingness to accept that CRT should be (IMO) a neutral entity maintaining the waterways. That's too boring. They feel they should be doing stuff so they look for stuff to do.
What's complicated about checking (they probably don't check really) that someone has a safety certificate and insurance then issuing a licence? Nothing. What they are proposing is to make it more complex, not less so the basic premise is a lie.
Pointless tinkering because somebody has an unfulfilling job or because they need to appear to be doing something to justify an enormous salary for a job that is in reality about overseeing something so simple that their clerk/typist/PA/computer operator is actually doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 11:30:47 GMT
You would almost think that the iwa had pre knowledge of this. Given the statement that they put put out last week about lobbying Crt to charge widebeams more. I wonder if they will try to get rid of the pleasure boat certificate? Les etheridge and Gren Messham were lobbying for this in every meeting since 2014. It's nothing to do with boat owners moaning, it's all iwa and awcc, of whom the latter, Parry is a member of. Individuals can not be members of AWCC, it is an association of boat clubs. |
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Post by thebfg on Feb 21, 2017 11:38:23 GMT
Les etheridge and Gren Messham were lobbying for this in every meeting since 2014. It's nothing to do with boat owners moaning, it's all iwa and awcc, of whom the latter, Parry is a member of. Individuals can not be members of AWCC, it is an association of boat clubs. It also has individual members as well as clubs |
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Post by kris on Feb 21, 2017 12:45:37 GMT
Who is this "involve"? Why get an outside body who know sweet FA about the waterways or boaters? Haven't Crt got enough staff to undertake this? How much is it all going to cost?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 21, 2017 13:12:37 GMT
Who is this "involve"? Why get an outside body who know sweet FA about the waterways or boaters? Haven't Crt got enough staff to undertake this? How much is it all going to cost? I agree Kris, . . . C&RT already have more than enough staff who don't have a clue about waterways or boats, and there is certainly no need to import anymore from any other organization. Looking it up on Google, Involve - full name, the Involve Foundation - is a 'think tank' and charity founded in 2004 by someone called Richard Wilson. Could it be the Richard Wilson otherwise known as Victor - ''I don't believe it''- Meldrew ? It could well be, . . . he did have all the qualities C&RT seem to look for in their advisers ! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 14:05:10 GMT
Who is this "involve"? Why get an outside body who know sweet FA about the waterways or boaters? Haven't Crt got enough staff to undertake this? How much is it all going to cost? I agree Kris, . . . C&RT already have more than enough staff who don't have a clue about waterways or boats, and there is certainly no need to import anymore from any other organization. Looking it up on Google, Involve - full name, the Involve Foundation - is a 'think tank' and charity founded in 2004 by someone called Richard Wilson. Could it be the Richard Wilson otherwise known as Victor - ''I don't believe it''- Meldrew ? It could well be, . . . he did have all the qualities C&RT seem to look for in their advisers ! I hate the expression "think tank" |
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