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Post by bodger on Mar 9, 2017 16:56:15 GMT
My marina (I've left it now) liked to know when I would be away and for how long, because they liked to be able to offer a temporary berth for visitors; that seems entirely reasonable. Electric meter readings can be managed in such situations. I can't get my head around OP's description of his marina as Alcatraz. Seems it is more his mind set than the real situation at the marina. I always found that my marina was very cooperative when I needed some help or extra service - it works both ways. A few bottles at Christmas to share around the staff was also very much appreciated.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 9, 2017 16:56:48 GMT
I know nothing about the mooring contracts of the C&RT- and/or EA- Marina's with their specific conditions.
In Paris is a very expensive and sought after Marina in the Paris Arsenal, and all the boats moored there have to leave (if I'm well informed) for 1 month of the years, and also if they leave for more than a day, they have to inform the Capitainerie, so they can accomodate visiting boats during the absence of the normal moorer at that spot.
This is all written down clearly in a contract, and if you don't agree with their conditions, it won't be a problem for the Marina, as there are hundreds of people on the waiting list that are more then happy to accept these conditions.
Peter.
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 9, 2017 17:04:20 GMT
My marina (I've left it now) liked to know when I would be away and for how long, because they liked to be able to offer a temporary berth for visitors; that seems entirely reasonable. Electric meter readings can be managed in such situations. I can't get my head around OP's description of his marina as Alcatraz. Seems it is more his mind set than the real situation at the marina. I always found that my marina was very cooperative when I needed some help or extra service - it works both ways. A few bottles at Christmas to share around the staff was also very much appreciated. Perhaps you and I got lucky and the OP didn't! I assume from his posts he objects to having his bollocks gratuitously squeezed on the way out, just because they think they can.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 9, 2017 17:09:22 GMT
In other words everyone who keeps a boat there ought to deduct 7.7% from the annual fee they pay for the berth/mooring that's allocated to them to compensate for the 4 week period they're paying for but during which aren't allowed to use their own mooring. As for having to inform the marina every time you go out with your boat, . . . well, I wouldn't take kindly to that. Who, and what, do the EA marina operators think they are ? No, the annual fee is based on the fact that you have to be out of the marina for 2 weeks every 6 months. Tony when you come up with rubbish like this, you lose credibility that carries over to when you are trying to make valid points. Don't do it!
That's quite a big leap from bellyaching about not having seen the contract, and being ''suspicious'' earlier on in the thread, . . . have you actually seen one of the EA Mooring Agreements now, or are you just speculating and making assumptions again ? If you've got a copy of one of these 48 week Mooring Agreements, why don't you post it up so we can all have a look at it ?
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 9, 2017 17:31:51 GMT
Please, I said that SOME of the contracts state this. I do not know what sort of contract Andy has. Only when that becomes clear can any conclusions be drawn. It's never going to become clear since Tony is keeping it secret. Knowledge is power!
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 9, 2017 17:39:04 GMT
No, the annual fee is based on the fact that you have to be out of the marina for 2 weeks every 6 months. Tony when you come up with rubbish like this, you lose credibility that carries over to when you are trying to make valid points. Don't do it!
That's quite a big leap from bellyaching about not having seen the contract, and being ''suspicious'' earlier on in the thread, . . . have you actually seen one of the EA Mooring Agreements now, or are you just speculating and making assumptions again ? If you've got a copy of one of these 48 week Mooring Agreements, why don't you post it up so we can all have a look at it ? I haven't seen it because you are declining to post it. But if the contract requires you to leave for 2 weeks in 6 months then clearly the fee is for 48 weeks of use a year. If the contract doesn't require it, you don't have to leave and get 52 weeks. What cannot be a rational thought process is that you have to leave for 4 weeks a year according to the contract, but then feel agreived that you aren't getting to use it for 52 weeks for the price you've agreed to. You know this, so I don't know why you are trying to be irrational. As I said, it devalues your other inputs, some of which are quite rational.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 9, 2017 18:20:44 GMT
That's quite a big leap from bellyaching about not having seen the contract, and being ''suspicious'' earlier on in the thread, . . . have you actually seen one of the EA Mooring Agreements now, or are you just speculating and making assumptions again ? If you've got a copy of one of these 48 week Mooring Agreements, why don't you post it up so we can all have a look at it ? I haven't seen it because you are declining to post it. But if the contract requires you to leave for 2 weeks in 6 months then clearly the fee is for 48 weeks of use a year. If the contract doesn't require it, you don't have to leave and get 52 weeks. What cannot be a rational thought process is that you have to leave for 4 weeks a year according to the contract, but then feel agreived that you aren't getting to use it for 52 weeks for the price you've agreed to. You know this, so I don't know why you are trying to be irrational. As I said, it devalues your other inputs, some of which are quite rational. The relevant part of Andy W's Mooring Agreement [referred to by the EA as a 'Licence'] is :- LICENCE PERIOD : the period commencing on 07 March 2016 for 390 days and ending on 31 March 2017. . . . . . . . couldn't be any plainer, could it ? A licence to occupy a mooring for a specific number of days between two dates !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 18:29:06 GMT
Has like the manager said I can walk out on that date and they carnt do anything . about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 18:40:46 GMT
My marina (I've left it now) liked to know when I would be away and for how long, because they liked to be able to offer a temporary berth for visitors; that seems entirely reasonable. Electric meter readings can be managed in such situations. I can't get my head around OP's description of his marina as Alcatraz. Seems it is more his mind set than the real situation at the marina. I always found that my marina was very cooperative when I needed some help or extra service - it works both ways. A few bottles at Christmas to share around the staff was also very much appreciated. Northampton Marina at Beckett's park is the EA's only commercial marina in the East Anglian region, we went for a sneak preview before it was fully finished in 2011 for the IWA boat gathering. There is no vehicular access and a sturdy big pedestrian gate to keep the riff raff out. It's a pretty well thought out and constructed modern marina, a bit featureless, but if all you are after is a berth for your boat there isn't much wrong with it. I can't comment on what it's like now as it's a long time since we were there. I wouldn't want to be there, the ambulance sirens constantly wailing as they approach Northampton General would do my head in! IMHO There are better rural options for residential berths at White Mills and Blackthorn, you would need wheels to get about away from the boat though.
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 9, 2017 18:43:41 GMT
The 30 days thing won't mean you have to remove the boat, it will mean that you shouldn't be living in it at the marina, not that you can't moor it. It was the same with chalets at Islam many years ago and you wouldn't be expected to move those.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 9, 2017 18:44:32 GMT
I haven't seen it because you are declining to post it. But if the contract requires you to leave for 2 weeks in 6 months then clearly the fee is for 48 weeks of use a year. If the contract doesn't require it, you don't have to leave and get 52 weeks. What cannot be a rational thought process is that you have to leave for 4 weeks a year according to the contract, but then feel agreived that you aren't getting to use it for 52 weeks for the price you've agreed to. You know this, so I don't know why you are trying to be irrational. As I said, it devalues your other inputs, some of which are quite rational. The relevant part of Andy W's Mooring Agreement [referred to by the EA as a 'Licence'] is :- LICENCE PERIOD : the period commencing on 07 March 2016 for 390 days and ending on 31 March 2017. . . . . . . . couldn't be any plainer, could it ? A licence to occupy a mooring for a specific number of days between two dates ! No. You are as bad as CRT / Shoosmiths, clipping a phrase from a document so that, out of context, it suits your purpose. Whereas in context, I would imagine that whilst the period of the licence is of course the 390 days you post, there is another clause that requires you be to be out 2weeks per 6 months. In other words the licence is not a licence to grant you access to the mooring for the entire duration. Surely this is not a difficult concept to grasp? I feel you are just being deliberately obtuse. Or are you of the opinion that the licensee is "hard done by" because whilst the contract is for a continuous period of 390 days with a requirement to be out for 4 weeks of that period, it is nevertheless "SO UNFAIR" that you have to be out of the marina for 4 weeks of that period? your confusion, if it is not deliberate, arises from your conflating the quote from the contract about the licence period, with that being a licence to occupy the mooring for that number of days. You have made the second bit up, the licence does not (we presume, since you are still keeping it secret) allow mooring for the entire duration of the period.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 9, 2017 18:49:42 GMT
Anyway isn't the marina manager Smudge, occasional poster from CWDF assisted by his misses Purple Fairy? They seemed jolly pleasant and helpful when we nightstopped in that marina a couple of years ago. Bear in mind a marina manager has to follow/enforce the rules, he doesn't create them. They are of course boaters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 18:53:16 GMT
Anyway isn't the marina manager Smudge, occasional poster from CWDF assisted by his misses Purple Fairy? They seemed jolly pleasant and helpful when we nightstopped in that marina a couple of years ago. Bear in mind a marina manager has to follow/enforce the rules, he doesn't create them. They are of course boaters. Did you mean "bearing in mind"?
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 9, 2017 18:57:38 GMT
Anyway isn't the marina manager Smudge, occasional poster from CWDF assisted by his misses Purple Fairy? They seemed jolly pleasant and helpful when we nightstopped in that marina a couple of years ago. Bear in mind a marina manager has to follow/enforce the rules, he doesn't create them. They are of course boaters. Did you mean "bearing in mind"? No.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 18:59:26 GMT
I've only ever had on line moorings which are always 365 days. 390 days seems an odd way to do it.
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