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Post by lollygagger on Mar 20, 2017 12:07:02 GMT
The nub of the matter is that if the supposedly intelligent remainers, who seem to me represented by the better off end of society, took their heads out of their bottoms and had genuine concern for society as a whole, there wouldn't have been a big enough mass of electorate to kick back. You reap what you sow. A big part of why I voted to leave was wanting to hold the politicians that I might be able to influence to account. Immigration played a much smaller part to my decision, and I know many others that thought the same way. Definitely. With the nature of the campaign being both sides openly lying about everything they could think of, the only sensible thing to do was get rid of some of the fuckers. I personally believe that was as far as many thought. I also believe this is a sign of intelligent free thinking and shows a care for society as a whole and a willingness to suffer a bit for a longer term objective. Of course I might just be thick.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 20, 2017 12:21:32 GMT
A big part of why I voted to leave was wanting to hold the politicians that I might be able to influence to account. Immigration played a much smaller part to my decision, and I know many others that thought the same way. Definitely. With the nature of the campaign being both sides openly lying about everything they could think of, the only sensible thing to do was get rid of some of the fuckers. I personally believe that was as far as many thought. I also believe this is a sign of intelligent free thinking and shows a care for society as a whole and a willingness to suffer a bit for a longer term objective. Of course I might just be thick.but you won't be alone
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 20, 2017 16:42:47 GMT
I don't see where the hell you are coming from ...... there has never been a move or a suggestion to stop foreign seasonal agricultural workers ...... they just will no longer have the right to stay afterwards. and as for your comment regarding nursing homes etc .... before the "free movement of labour EU" immigration was allowed for skills needed ...... anyway a proportion of such staff are coming from non EU areas. All you need is something like the American green card system. The whole thing is just pure scaremongering by a devious news organisation Who is going to wipe your arse in the home if there is no migration If George Osborne has the time for seven jobs, he also has time to wipe my arse.
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Post by Jim on Mar 20, 2017 17:05:52 GMT
You'd let a public school boy near your arse?
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Post by patty on Mar 21, 2017 7:53:09 GMT
I cared for both of my parents in their own home..with mum I took leave of absence from work and with dad I'd had to retire with ill health...I firmly believed it was my duty to care but with what I went through I don't think I would advise anyone else to take on that commitment...memories haunt still... not so much with dad but mum suffered dreadfully and struggling with that at home awful. Ive worked in both a NHS and private home that relied on foreign nationals to keep going. The big problem was the language barrier..poorly spoken english led to misunderstandings and confrontation issues with the elderly. Home care is by far the best for many but not all. I do not think those badly addicted by dementia are safe in home environment...nor is it safe for families to care in those circumstances so we do need care homes. My gran cared for her mother in a tiny one bed bungulow..one slept in the bedroom the other in the lounge...but thats what people did then.
I think we perhaps allowed to many into our country and when they undercut the wages in building trade etc..people struggled to cope on minimum wages... it caused resentment. Brexit day I stood outside 10 Downing st listening to people....for those who voted out the overwhelming resentment was the wage issue. Its complicated and sometimes I feel we only grasp at the issues involved. Certainly we seem to need foreign labour..restaurant trade, care homes etc.... I walked around London last week...the whole capital one vast eatery..do we really need that many establishments devoted to consumption of food? Trouble is both sides of Brexit lied and who knows the truth?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 8:18:32 GMT
I cared for both of my parents in their own home..with mum I took leave of absence from work and with dad I'd had to retire with ill health...I firmly believed it was my duty to care but with what I went through I don't think I would advise anyone else to take on that commitment...memories haunt still... not so much with dad but mum suffered dreadfully and struggling with that at home awful. Ive worked in both a NHS and private home that relied on foreign nationals to keep going. The big problem was the language barrier..poorly spoken english led to misunderstandings and confrontation issues with the elderly. Home care is by far the best for many but not all. I do not think those badly addicted by dementia are safe in home environment...nor is it safe for families to care in those circumstances so we do need care homes. My gran cared for her mother in a tiny one bed bungulow..one slept in the bedroom the other in the lounge...but thats what people did then. Unfortunately for our mum she had 3 boys so it would be awkward for us to carry out the more personal care duties. Fortunately, my eldest bruv's ex wife is still very close to mum and has been like a daughter to her ever since. However, she is getting to old to be a carer for mums final days. So, all we can do is cross that bridge when we get to it. This all makes you think about the elephant in the room though...'who will care for me'? That in itself is a driver to do what you can for your parents.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 21, 2017 8:19:24 GMT
You sometimes post some very thought provoking stuff Patty
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 8:22:45 GMT
I've got it sorted with my parents. The old man fucked off with a younger woman in the 80s so he has a nurse (they are a perfect couple) My mother killed herself while she was still physically independent.
Sorted ! No geriatric parents to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 8:41:04 GMT
You sometimes post some very thought provoking stuff Patty ...and obviously a very caring person.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 21, 2017 9:04:41 GMT
Hard one to post personal details about, as even after many, many years, the feelings are still very raw.
My mother (long since widowed) eventually found her much loved family home too much to cope with. We managed to find (very locally) delightful sheltered accommodation for her. At this stage she was still bright, active and very independent (in her mid 90's). She suddenly began to have blackouts and was rushed to hospital where no definite cause was found. she then began to deteriorate mentally having delusions. It was a truly horrible time, my sister's partner was very ill at that time and required a lot of care I had a heart attack just a couple of months before and was still somewhat fragile. At that time I owned a small house that was (from her posts) in a similar condition to Patty's Horror House and a boat whose steel work was complete but was still mostly an empty shell. I was also having to work long hours to stop my company collapsing. So even if I had a safe environment for my Mother to come and live with me, there was no way I could be in attendance and I had virtually no savings to fall back on. My sister was also in a cleft stick as she was already a full time carer and it was beyond possible for her to help both.
My mother very rapidly went downhill, The specialist told us later that he only saw one or two patients a year with the same condition. From independence to death was only a matter of 8 months. She always had either my sister, my partner or myself with her for a large part of every day. It was a hellish time, and even after all these years it still hurts that I could do so little. Both my sister and I feel guilt, even though we know there really was nothing more we could do.
Dementia is a incredibly difficult thing to deal with, especially when your own loved ones are involved. I have had to deal with it twice (different types, different scenarios, different outcomes) The second time was as a full time carer, both times just about wrecked me, leaving me totally exhausted mentally and physically. Being a full time carer of someone is very heavy burden.
I cannot comprehend how people cope with their loved ones when they have dementia for years and years. Just a short period wrecked me, there is no way I could do years of it and survive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 9:22:17 GMT
Hard one to post personal details about, as even after many, many years, the feelings are still very raw. My mother (long since widowed) eventually found her much loved family home too much to cope with. We managed to find (very locally) delightful sheltered accommodation for her. At this stage she was still bright, active and very independent (in her mid 90's). She suddenly began to have blackouts and was rushed to hospital where no definite cause was found. she then began to deteriorate mentally having delusions. It was a truly horrible time, my sister's partner was very ill at that time and required a lot of care I had a heart attack just a couple of months before and was still somewhat fragile. At that time I owned a small house that was (from her posts) in a similar condition to Patty's Horror House and a boat whose steel work was complete but was still mostly an empty shell. I was also having to work long hours to stop my company collapsing. So even if I had a safe environment for my Mother to come and live with me, there was no way I could be in attendance and I had virtually no savings to fall back on. My sister was also in a cleft stick as she was already a full time carer and it was beyond possible for her to help both. My mother very rapidly went downhill, The specialist told us later that he only saw one or two patients a year with the same condition. From independence to death was only a matter of 8 months. She always had either my sister, my partner or myself with her for a large part of every day. It was a hellish time, and even after all these years it still hurts that I could do so little. Both my sister and I feel guilt, even though we know there really was nothing more we could do. Dementia is a incredibly difficult thing to deal with, especially when your own loved ones are involved. I have had to deal with it twice (different types, different scenarios, different outcomes) The second time was as a full time carer, both times just about wrecked me, leaving me totally exhausted mentally and physically. Being a full time carer of someone is very heavy burden. I cannot comprehend how people cope with their loved ones when they have dementia for years and years. Just a short period wrecked me, there is no way I could do years of it and survive. I understand John, it must have been very tough on your mum and family. Actually, I forgot to mention both my grandma and her cousin who mum cared for ended up with dementia. I have a very close friend who, along with his wife are caring for his mum who has very advanced stages of dementia. They live in her home which has been the family home for the last few generations. I can say though, that she always has a smile on her face as though part of her still knows she is in a safe place. It makes you wonder if it was such a problem over 100 years ago. Did more people die naturally before reaching dementia? Was there less dementia full stop? It's a horrible disease.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 21, 2017 9:33:09 GMT
Why do remainers keep going on that most brexiters have changed their mind?
I haven't and I don't know of any either.
The whole campaigns from both sides were deceitful and based on scaremongering. I love how remainers that I know are all going on about how bad things will be and that they are scared. Hahaha, brainwashed. Unless they have a crystal ball.
It's happening so we all should get behind it. The world will carry on spinning
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 9:35:05 GMT
Why do remainers keep going on that most brexiters have changed their mind? I haven't and I don't know of any either. The whole campaigns from both sides were deceitful and based on scaremongering. I love how remainers that I know are all going on about how bad things will be and that they are scared. Hahaha, brainwashed. Unless they have a crystal ball. It's happening so we all should get behind it. The world will carry on spinning ...as will the media and it's puppeteers...
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Post by patty on Mar 21, 2017 9:40:10 GMT
Hard one to post personal details about, as even after many, many years, the feelings are still very raw. My mother (long since widowed) eventually found her much loved family home too much to cope with. We managed to find (very locally) delightful sheltered accommodation for her. At this stage she was still bright, active and very independent (in her mid 90's). She suddenly began to have blackouts and was rushed to hospital where no definite cause was found. she then began to deteriorate mentally having delusions. It was a truly horrible time, my sister's partner was very ill at that time and required a lot of care I had a heart attack just a couple of months before and was still somewhat fragile. At that time I owned a small house that was (from her posts) in a similar condition to Patty's Horror House and a boat whose steel work was complete but was still mostly an empty shell. I was also having to work long hours to stop my company collapsing. So even if I had a safe environment for my Mother to come and live with me, there was no way I could be in attendance and I had virtually no savings to fall back on. My sister was also in a cleft stick as she was already a full time carer and it was beyond possible for her to help both. My mother very rapidly went downhill, The specialist told us later that he only saw one or two patients a year with the same condition. From independence to death was only a matter of 8 months. She always had either my sister, my partner or myself with her for a large part of every day. It was a hellish time, and even after all these years it still hurts that I could do so little. Both my sister and I feel guilt, even though we know there really was nothing more we could do. Dementia is a incredibly difficult thing to deal with, especially when your own loved ones are involved. I have had to deal with it twice (different types, different scenarios, different outcomes) The second time was as a full time carer, both times just about wrecked me, leaving me totally exhausted mentally and physically. Being a full time carer of someone is very heavy burden. I cannot comprehend how people cope with their loved ones when they have dementia for years and years. Just a short period wrecked me, there is no way I could do years of it and survive. Dementia robs a person of their identity and family of loved ones. I would never advocate caring for dementia in a family home. I don't believe it can be achieved safely. When someone RIP all we have left are memories and who should remember nightmares if there is an alternative? We all do what we can based on our particular circumstances..I was able to care for mum and dad. I, once broke 'all the rules' in hospital..we admitted lovely lady with awful medical condition that necessitated bed care. She was main carer for husband with dementia..this man still driving and she used to sit by him telling him when to change gear, turn right/left etc.... When she came in she hid the car keys and he searched for them/trashed house/ and then wandered streets searching for her. Previously daughter in law had attempted to care for him in her house but couldn't due to his condition. Her husband dead as was his brother, this old couple had outlived their children. Somewhere in the recess of his mind he remembered his wife in hospital and rocked up middle of the night mid January in short shirt sleeves and trousers plus slippers. Security contacted and I took him onto the ward. Rang D-I-L and when I learnt of the horror she had gone through told her to stay away knowing that if she took him nothing would be done. I tucked him up in a recliner next to wife and closed the curtains, emergency social services declined to come over night. All would have perhaps have been brushed under a carpet had they not decided to have loud argument at 5am...eventually a nun who was a patient assisted me and sat with them so I could care for my other patients. Security had knocked off cos they had had hours reduced due to cut backs. Management were not happy with me...my fellow nurses thought I'd gone the 'extra mile' and should have had at least a thank you. However it seems care only available for those in a bed, I have never regretted what I did and in the same circumstances would have done it again. The man ended up admitted to a safe unit where he received the care he needed and the wife allowed to recover without the constant fear of what was happening with him. Trouble is with all institutions rules are rules. oops sorry took so long to compose didn't realise we'd moved on.
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