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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 10:00:13 GMT
I suppose the problem is that we all have a different opinion as to whether a post is close to the wire or not. I'm just saying that it might be wise to consider Delta9's feelings as he could pull the site any time, legal or not. "Come anywhere near my boat you cunt and I will stab you" Are you a relative of Sir Francis Drake? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake#Execution_of_Thomas_Doughty
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 10:21:32 GMT
Apparently there is some long forgotten maritime law which states that if someone comes aboard your vessel uninvited then you are legally entitled to hang them.
(I'm not a lawyer)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 10:26:32 GMT
I suspect personal security is one of the main reasons why many people decide not be liveaboards or explore afar. At least with a boat we can chose where we moor up.
Mooring where there are other boaters seems sensible as is being knowledgeable of 'dodgy' areas. Although I'm sure some 'dodgy areas' are just the same one or two kids causing trouble.
When we were up that way a couple of years ago we didn't come across any trouble, but maybe that's because we didn't travel in the school holidays.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 10:27:48 GMT
Apparently there is some long forgotten maritime law which states that if someone comes aboard your vessel uninvited then you are legally entitled to hang them. (I'm not a lawyer) They would have to be very short for that to work inside a narrowboat...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 10:30:59 GMT
To be fair it is possible to hang yourself or someone else from a surprisingly low height (don't ask me how I know that ) I imagine the law was about boats at sea and pirates etc
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 10:46:33 GMT
To be fair it is possible to hang yourself or someone else from a surprisingly low height (don't ask me how I know that ) I imagine the law was about boats at sea and pirates etc Correct. A family member managed to commit suicide using a noose around a hook on a door of all things. When I found them his feet were not even close to being off the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 10:55:22 GMT
To be fair it is possible to hang yourself or someone else from a surprisingly low height (don't ask me how I know that ) I imagine the law was about boats at sea and pirates etc Correct. A family member managed to commit suicide using a noose around a hook on on door of all things. When I found them his feet were not even close to being off the ground. that is EXACTLY how my mother did it. Coat hook on bedroom door. I did not find her (gor which I am truly grateful) it was her mental health nurse on a home visit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:02:03 GMT
Can I quietly request that the thread doesn't go much further along the lines of how suicide can be done. Suicide is a problem but I hope people realise it is better to talk about ways to stop it.
No offense meant to any of the posters.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 9, 2017 11:02:14 GMT
Just a thought - how is NB Desiree going to get past Vicar's Hall Bridge ? Canal closed until May. Go to the other ends of the L&L, Tareleton and Albert Dock? I'd avoid Liverpool.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:15:18 GMT
Can I quietly request that the thread doesn't go much further along the lines of how suicide can be done. Suicide is a problem but I hope people realise it is better to talk about ways to stop it. No offense meant to any of the posters. I doubt it will go much further in this thread and if anyone has any interest in that particular topic the internet has a LOT of very technical instructions on the subject. I know its a taboo subject so can offend some people yes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:34:02 GMT
Can I quietly request that the thread doesn't go much further along the lines of how suicide can be done. Suicide is a problem but I hope people realise it is better to talk about ways to stop it. No offense meant to any of the posters. I doubt it will go much further in this thread and if anyone has any interest in that particular topic the internet has a LOT of very technical instructions on the subject. I know its a taboo subject so can offend some people yes. I don't mind people talking about suicide and if someone is determined the information is out there. My thoughts were around trying to stop info about how to do it without someone specifically looking up the info. The fact that I would have had to specifically look up the info was enough for me to seek help. I've helped talk to 3 people who were threatening to jump whilst awaiting the police 'suicide squad' (who are very good). 2 lived and one didn't. I've also helped pick up body parts when others have succeeded. The subject should not be taboo. I have my views and a very personal angle on this just like you, and as such do my best to intervene where I think it might be necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:54:18 GMT
Fair enough I see what you are getting at I have my own views on intervention. lets just say I would not seek to stop someone jumping if I were confronted with that situation. If I reached the end of my tether and decided to "get off the train" at the time of my choosing I would definitely not want someone to get in my way All this modern medicine shit takes away people's freedom. In the name of £profit. They keep people alive well beyond their natural lifespan just to make money out of them. My mother was switched to Venlafaxine SNRI shortly before she died. Turns out it is linked to successful suicides. And its supposed to help ?? Something tells me there was some money in it for someone. Maybe I'm just a cynic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 12:11:20 GMT
I have my own views on intervention. lets just say I would not seek to stop someone jumping if I were confronted with that situation. All this modern medicine shit takes away people's freedom. In the name of £profit. They keep people alive well beyond their natural lifespan just to make money out of them. My mother was switched to Venlafaxine SNRI shortly before she died. Turns out it is linked to successful suicides. And its supposed to help ?? Something tells me there was some money in it for someone. Maybe I'm just a cynic. Even not intervene when it's a 14 year old boy - I struggle to believe you wouldn't intervene. Medicines and terminal illness open up a different angle, one that I'll have to consider before replying further.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 12:16:18 GMT
Fair enough I see what you are getting at I have my own views on intervention. lets just say I would not seek to stop someone jumping if I were confronted with that situation. If I reached the end of my tether and decided to "get off the train" at the time of my choosing I would definitely not want someone to get in my way All this modern medicine shit takes away people's freedom. In the name of £profit. They keep people alive well beyond their natural lifespan just to make money out of them. My mother was switched to Venlafaxine SNRI shortly before she died. Turns out it is linked to successful suicides. And its supposed to help ?? Something tells me there was some money in it for someone. Maybe I'm just a cynic. One of the best ways to keep depression at bay is to go outdoors and do some exercise. A nice walk in the country is bettter than being glued to a screen indoors. Exercise increases Serotonin in a more healthy way than taking drugs. Negativity and stress is known to decrease your bodies immunity system, so best avoid. I think you are right about our obsession to stay alive for as long possible, I'm not sure if I will agree this obsession is bad. when I'm 80 though...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 12:16:19 GMT
I have my own views on intervention. lets just say I would not seek to stop someone jumping if I were confronted with that situation. All this modern medicine shit takes away people's freedom. In the name of £profit. They keep people alive well beyond their natural lifespan just to make money out of them. My mother was switched to Venlafaxine SNRI shortly before she died. Turns out it is linked to successful suicides. And its supposed to help ?? Something tells me there was some money in it for someone. Maybe I'm just a cynic. Even not intervene when it's a 14 year old boy - I struggle to believe you wouldn't intervene. Medicines and terminal illness open up a different angle, one that I'll have to consider before replying further. I was going to mention the age thing. 14 then yes I may possibly intervene. The thing you have to think about is that it is possible that by preventing the suicide you may be giving that person "a world of pain" in their future life. Do you have the right to do that? At the end of the day there are plenty of humans about. Obviously with relatives its a different thing.
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