Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 0:54:34 GMT
Sorry Nick its a good idea to have a mixer it allows the hot water from the cauliflower to last longer and only today I bloody burnt my hands under the hot tap seriously!! Indeed, I'm stunned the Hudson hasn't got one. Water tank level gauge - check. Hot water temperature control - no check.
|
|
|
Post by Telemachus on Apr 26, 2017 6:23:10 GMT
We have a thermostatic shower mixer which I think is a good idea for adults and children alike simply because of the variable water pressure and difficulty of keeping a desirable temperature just with taps as the pump cycles. There is no "put the plug in and fill the basin" option unless you want to have a bath instead.
|
|
|
Post by quaysider on Apr 26, 2017 6:23:58 GMT
I think you two need to get a room... there's a lot of "sexual tension" in the air AS for showering kids, can't you just tie a rope to an ankle and dunk them overboard every day?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 6:25:40 GMT
I think you two need to get a room... there's a lot of "sexual tension" in the air AS for showering kids, can't you just tie a rope to an ankle and dunk them overboard every day? I'm off for a cold shower.... 👍
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 6:29:11 GMT
We have a thermostatic shower mixer which I think is a good idea for adults and children alike simply because of the variable water pressure and difficulty of keeping a desirable temperature just with taps as the pump cycles. There is no "put the plug in and fill the basin" option unless you want to have a bath instead. Ah but there is - I refer you back to the TMV! Have a Google of NHS and TMV 2/3 there's enough in those documents to keep you busy for a while. If it's a wash hand basin and not the galley sink there is no problem regulating the hot outlet temp. Galley sink needs to be hot enough for adults to wash the dishes in.
|
|
|
Post by Telemachus on Apr 26, 2017 6:38:25 GMT
The trouble with trying to make your kids world a safe place is that you can never actually do it 100%, and eventually they will meet a situation that is dangerous and for which you have totally and deliberately unprepared them. If the water is too hot to put their hands in, they will only do it once and then work out that it's best to put the plug in and mix some cold water. It is unlikely to kill them, whereas making their little bubble-world hazard-free probably will, eventually. Let me know your attitude when you actually have one. Allowing a child the Potential risk to scold themselves for £30 so they learn a life lesson is one of your more idiotic statements. in the case of our shower A writhing, crying, soapy toddler isn't easy to deal with if the water temperature isnt just so, a transom shower mixer is a crude affair adding a tmv solves this problem in a stroke. Still, it's easy to make ill informed and ill judge statements when you have no practical experience of a subject 👍 This is the "you aren't a liveaboard so you're not entitled to an opinion" argument. no I don't have any brats nor will I ever, but what I do have is 60 years of dispassionately observing how parents bring up their kids with regard to learning life lessons. When I was a kid and in fact until fairly recently, thermostatic mixers didn't exist and you learnt to check the water temperature before fully immersing bits of your body. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Some friends of mine had open fires and a stove with young children and no guards. The dad said "they'll only burn themselves once" and he was right. By contrast, and winding forward 30 years, our in-laws won't let us take their suburbanised kids on our boat in case they drown. They won't let me take them flying in case I crash. They wouldn't allow their oldest roller skates in case he broke something. They are stifled. so their is a wide range of parental attitudes that are seemingly successful but I remain convinced that the more you wrap your kids in cotton wool the stupider they are, and as I said you can't totally remove all dangers and so it is the one thing you overlook that will end up damaging you unprepared kids. Excessive parental protectiveness is a modern ill that is promoted by the internet/news swamping not doing anything to counter natural emotions but I think these people are setting themselves up for a fall once they lose control of their little darlings who go out into the world on their own and do really stupid stuff. my parents allowed me to have a moped at 16 and then a 250cc bike at 17, despite the risks (and needless to say, I fell off a bit) but it made me who I am today. If I were a parent it would be an agonising decision because I know the risks of biking, but ultimately I hope I would allow it. i am not saying it's easy, but ultimately a strategy of removing all sources of danger is bound to fail.
|
|
|
Post by JohnV on Apr 26, 2017 6:50:09 GMT
Nick your earlier posts came across as the extreme end of the argument ....... I believe you are probably right that overprotecting children can be a bad thing and that mistakes need to be made by the individual to truly understand risk and danger. However. You don't let kettle leads/pan handles be within reach of a toddler who might pull them, to see what they are, as these could cause serious injury. Something that causes pain but not serious injury? fine , leave it. A tank of hot water heated by an engine can reach very high temperatures, enough to cause a serious scald.Why expose a child to possible serious damage/lifetime scarring.
If you think they should learn a lesson then set the temperature at "too hot" so they learn to add cold. Open fires without guards plus inflammable childrens night clothing have produced some appalling injuries on small children ...... are you seriously suggesting this is Darwinism ?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 7:00:26 GMT
Nick your earlier posts came across as the extreme end of the argument ....... I believe you are probably right that overprotecting children can be a bad thing and that mistakes need to be made by the individual to truly understand risk and danger. However. You don't let kettle leads/pan handles be within reach of a toddler who might pull them, to see what they are, as these could cause serious injury. Something that causes pain but not serious injury? fine , leave it. A tank of hot water heated by an engine can reach very high temperatures, enough to cause a serious scald.Why expose a child to possible serious damage/lifetime scarring. If you think they should learn a lesson then set the temperature at "too hot" so they learn to add cold. Open fires without guards plus inflammable childrens night clothing have produced some appalling injuries on small children ...... are you seriously suggesting this is Darwinism ? Exactly, thanks John, no need for me to repeat your post!
|
|
|
Post by Telemachus on Apr 26, 2017 7:02:16 GMT
Nick your earlier posts came across as the extreme end of the argument ....... I believe you are probably right that overprotecting children can be a bad thing and that mistakes need to be made by the individual to truly understand risk and danger. However. You don't let kettle leads/pan handles be within reach of a toddler who might pull them, to see what they are, as these could cause serious injury. Something that causes pain but not serious injury? fine , leave it. A tank of hot water heated by an engine can reach very high temperatures, enough to cause a serious scald.Why expose a child to possible serious damage/lifetime scarring. If you think they should learn a lesson then set the temperature at "too hot" so they learn to add cold. Open fires without guards plus inflammable childrens night clothing have produced some appalling injuries on small children ...... are you seriously suggesting this is Darwinism ? I did feel the chap without fireguards was pushing his luck, but it worked for his kids. He had escaped to the UK during the Hungarian revolution so perhaps had a different idea of what real danger was. I think you have to look at the risk of a thing, ie the probability of it occurring and the consequence if it does. So a pan full of boiling water pulled onto a small child needs to be avoided. Putting your hand under a running hot tap, whereby the child is old enough to independently wash their hands and have been told that the water is too hot, seems a hazard not needing to be fixed. Of course the child only learns that the way to wash hands is to stick them under the running hot, because their parents have demonstrated it. If the demonstrated policy was always to put the plug in and fill with hot and cold, that's what the child would do.
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Apr 26, 2017 7:04:19 GMT
To be fair our kids have never been wrapped in cotton wool If they want to play in mud they can. Etc
We have brought them up telling them what's what.
Nipper touched a heater once and it was hot he never touched one again. They know what's good for them.
But an open fire is extreme, I won't put their lives I danger or risk anything that will scar them for life for example.
I can't wait to visit Thorpe park because this year the ten year old will be tall enough to go on all the rides. He can't wait. Yet I know parents in his year that won't even let them use things in the local park, as it's dangerous.
|
|
|
Post by phil70 on Apr 26, 2017 7:45:45 GMT
Simplest solution would be an under sink thermostatic mixing valve if you have room, but I'm sure an engineer will be along soon to suggest you redesign your heating system. ETA. And there must be an H & S expert out there to start waffling on about Legionella and how you need the water above 60 degrees to kill bacteria. I hate the world Probs with Legionella only occur with stored water so,as you will be reducing the temp at point of use there is no issue Phil
|
|
|
Post by Saltysplash on Apr 26, 2017 7:52:41 GMT
We dont have mixer taps on the bathroom sink and I cant remember the girls having any real problems. They are 5 & 7. I do remember teaching them how to fill the sink using both taps so they didnt burn themselves and they never have, but thinking about it, its not going to scald them the same way as would say a hot cup of tea spilling on them, because of the jerk reaction of pulling away from the heat. It will be more of a quick shock and a lessen learned.
The shower does have a mixer and they both are now happy showering themselves and setting their own temperature knowing not to stand under it till they are happy with the temp.
We had a guard around the stove when they were toddlers and again concentrated on training them not to go near the the thing, and now, without any guard, they never go near the thing and never show any interest in it.
I think the main key is training and supervision till they can do it themselves without any tears, after all, how did we manage before mixer taps came along.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 8:15:55 GMT
Simplest solution would be an under sink thermostatic mixing valve if you have room, but I'm sure an engineer will be along soon to suggest you redesign your heating system. ETA. And there must be an H & S expert out there to start waffling on about Legionella and how you need the water above 60 degrees to kill bacteria. I hate the world Probs with Legionella only occur with stored water so,as you will be reducing the temp at point of use there is no issue Phil What about the water stored between valve and the tap/shower-head?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 8:41:17 GMT
My girls are 5 and 7. They wash hands under a running tap. I personally prefer this to filling a basin. The boat they live on has a Morco so temperature is set perfectly. My other boat which they stay on occasionally sometimes has 70 degree C water at the tap. I just want to alter this to 45 degrees or so. Apparently is recognised that water above 50 degrees is not suitable for children rinsing hands.
Its not a wrapping in cotton wool thing at all. Obviously that whole topic is a big one and could be discussed til the cows come home !!
Thanks for all the comments its been informative. Will look at a mixer valve of some kind as there is plenty of space under the basin.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 8:45:06 GMT
Most hand washing procedures involve running water. It is obviously more hygienic. Filling a basin then washing your hands in water full of dirt seems a bit wrong to me.
I'm a bath dodger personally but I do appreciate the value of regularly washed hands.
I think the optimum setup will be a third tap plumbed to a mixer valve. This will be the hand washing tap. That way there is still a full temperature hot tap as well for things like hand washing of clothing etc.
|
|