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Post by bromleyxphil on Nov 2, 2017 8:10:09 GMT
Hi guys I need a quick answer to this so apologies if you have read it elsewhere. Is a Morso 1430 big enough for a 57X10 widebeam and is £850 a good price? The boats not built yet but i have been offered this at £850 brand new but bought and unpacked a year ago. I haven't got to researching stoves yet so dont know if its worth it or what i want but he paid £950 a year ago for a travel van then found he couldn't insure the vehicle with that size stove in. Would you go for it? Phil
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Post by peterboat on Nov 2, 2017 9:12:16 GMT
I dont rate cast iron stoves in boats if you are intending to cruise a lot they can fall apart, I bought a secondhand rayburn with backboiler for £200 it heats the boat well and I can cook on it. It also heats the water and the rads, for me a far better proposition than the Morso, however yes it will more than likely heat the boat, and only you can say if it is a good buy or not
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 2, 2017 9:17:16 GMT
I dont rate cast iron stoves in boats if you are intending to cruise a lot they can fall apart, I bought a secondhand rayburn with backboiler for £200 it heats the boat well and I can cook on it. It also heats the water and the rads, for me a far better proposition than the Morso, however yes it will more than likely heat the boat, and only you can say if it is a good buy or not Isn't a Rayburn a cast and bolted stove?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 9:21:56 GMT
I don't think that the price for the Morso 1430 is particularly cheap.
The stove is rated at 4.6kw, so I would have considered something with a higher rating would be more suitable.
But it's your call.
You haven't mentioned if the stove will be the only heating, whether there'll be a back boiler etc etc so difficult to give an opinion.
Good luck with it.
Rog
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 2, 2017 9:29:37 GMT
Not much help but I have one in a 50ft narrowboat and had to add an extra fire brick at the back and an engineering brick each side to tone it down. Even like that it's a bit much for the boat. I was going to swap it into a bigger boat I've got now but the thought of it self destructing during the move has put me off the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 9:40:31 GMT
Hi guys I need a quick answer to this so apologies if you have read it elsewhere. Is a Morso 1430 big enough for a 57X10 widebeam and is £850 a good price? The boats not built yet but i have been offered this at £850 brand new but bought and unpacked a year ago. I haven't got to researching stoves yet so dont know if its worth it or what i want but he paid £950 a year ago for a travel van then found he couldn't insure the vehicle with that size stove in. Would you go for it? Phil We had one on a 60ft Narrowboat and it was fine, though I would say 'just'. On a very cold day to get the heat to the far end of the boat meant you would have to have it running quite hot meaning in the lounge area it did get too hot on occasions. (cue a debate about Ecofans) Looking back the air controls were a bit of a faff. We have a Charnwood C5 at home and the single air control is a cinch to use. Only down side is that it has a single door for both ash pan and the grate, where as the Morso has one for each. We havent so far found this to be an issue though. It cost about the same as the Morso price you have been quoted (we paid more but we have a quite pricey rear entry flue adaptor which you wouldn't normally have have on the boat). IMHO the Charnwood is a much better made stove too. (and it's British). For an opened package with a reduced guarantee period I think £850 isn't a particularly good price.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 9:44:33 GMT
Not much help but I have one in a 50ft narrowboat and had to add an extra fire brick at the back and an engineering brick each side to tone it down. Even like that it's a bit much for the boat. I was going to swap it into a bigger boat I've got now but the thought of it self destructing during the move has put me off the idea. Is that to burn smokeless fuel....? ISTR Morso recommend (quite expensive) side pieces to burn that, to reduce the amount of fuel you can load into the fire, though I believe lots of people do just what you have described which achieves the same objective.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 2, 2017 9:46:46 GMT
Seems a little expensive. You can buy new on ebay for £869. What happens if it turns out to have a fault (eg a casting fault, not immediately visible)? Your come-back would be on the seller (good luck with that!) although possibly the guarantee is transferable to a new owner, I would doubt it. If you buy from a business, it’s easier to get come-back. The stove is probably big enough but as said, depends on whether it’s being used to space-heat the living area, or to heat the entire boat by means of a back boiler.
We have a slightly smaller 4kw Morso on our 59’ narrowboat, most of the time it’s turned right down and still too hot!
These cast stoves can suffer from corrosion which causes them to swell at the joints and become stressed, so when not in use ensure the chimney is capped, with stove vents wide open, and remove ash as it can collect damp.
We’ve had ours for 8 years and 3000 engine hours, good so far. But also, make sure the entire weight of the chimney isn’t resting on the top of the stove, and/or the chimney doesn’t expand and push down on the top of the stove when it’s hot.
Are you going to install it to the current standard, ie with insulated flue?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 10:28:08 GMT
Are you going to install it to the current standard, ie with insulated flue? Do you have a link to this standard please?
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 2, 2017 10:40:47 GMT
Are you going to install it to the current standard, ie with insulated flue? Do you have a link to this standard please? Not easily, because generally you have to pay. However you can get to the document via Manchester Library’s subscription. Follow the link to the library, click on “go to British standards online”, then search for BS 8511:2010, then click the little pdf icon at the far right of the result. This allows you to view but not download the standard. Well to be precise, it’s a code of practice not a standard. www.manchester.gov.uk/directory_record/162241/british_standards_online/category/1216/business_and_careers
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 10:50:25 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 2, 2017 12:00:35 GMT
I dont rate cast iron stoves in boats if you are intending to cruise a lot they can fall apart, I bought a secondhand rayburn with backboiler for £200 it heats the boat well and I can cook on it. It also heats the water and the rads, for me a far better proposition than the Morso, however yes it will more than likely heat the boat, and only you can say if it is a good buy or not Isn't a Rayburn a cast and bolted stove? Its a frame, strange beast that is according to the experts best left in one piece at all times. If it has bolts holding it together I havent found them yet!! Mine came into the boat as one lump and thats the way its no doubt been for the last fifty years
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Post by cygnus on Nov 2, 2017 12:13:46 GMT
We had a Morso Squirrel at least 13 years on our previous boat, no problem at all. As with most stoves the shaker plate might need changing every few years, currently about 30 quid. Must be the most popular stove on the cut.
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Post by bromleyxphil on Nov 2, 2017 14:16:24 GMT
Thanks for all of the info guys, I think you have helped me reach the conclusion that its not the bargain it was being sold to me as, I will do more research and make the choice when I get to stove fitting. I have been told however not to get an oversize (output) stove as working them hard helps keep the flue clear. True?
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 2, 2017 16:57:51 GMT
Thanks for all of the info guys, I think you have helped me reach the conclusion that its not the bargain it was being sold to me as, I will do more research and make the choice when I get to stove fitting. I have been told however not to get an oversize (output) stove as working them hard helps keep the flue clear. True? Yes, not just the flue but the door glass too.
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