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Post by kris on Nov 8, 2017 18:34:23 GMT
would you like to point out where I've posted anything that will mislead the op? I said confused. You said mislead. Completely different things. Anyway I see you did put a smiley after your post, didn’t notice it the first time around. i went back and edited the original post because obviously the humour didn't come across.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 8, 2017 19:03:46 GMT
Depends on the level of insulation - or not! Usually with boats the minimum output when burning smokeless is important too to keep it ticking over and staying in for longer. Partly this is down to well designed air controls and well sealing ash and fuel loading doors. it was a throw away comment, obviously the amount of insulation will effect how much heat you need to keep a space warm. You could also say it depends on how many windows you have and what size they are. Yeah I thought it was. I had a riverboat many years ago, basically no insulation! That was c-c-c-c-old. Had a somewhat sketchy sleeping arrangement with the bed rather near the fire. Would have thought a typical widebeam or narrowboat doesn't need a lot. People doing fit outs who are new to boating may find it best to look around and see what liveaboards etc. typically use, as winter heating is all important.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 8, 2017 19:05:35 GMT
I should know better than try to introduce humour into a thread where there are experts holding court. Nicks humour is a rather particular blend. Bit of an aquired taste for the rest of us, at best! At times I hate being a supposed 'expert'.
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Post by kris on Nov 8, 2017 19:14:25 GMT
it was a throw away comment, obviously the amount of insulation will effect how much heat you need to keep a space warm. You could also say it depends on how many windows you have and what size they are. Yeah I thought it was. I had a riverboat many years ago, basically no insulation! That was c-c-c-c-old. Had a somewhat sketchy sleeping arrangement with the bed rather near the fire. Would have thought a typical widebeam or narrowboat doesn't need a lot. People doing fit outs who are new to boating may find it best to look around and see what liveaboards etc. typically use, as winter heating is all important. i agree modern boats are usually pretty well insulated compared to older boats. In my opinion it's better to have a slightly too large stove rather than a slightly too small stove. You can always light a smaller fire in a large stove. Whereas it's impossible to light a bigger fire in a small stove.
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Post by bromleyxphil on Nov 8, 2017 20:19:01 GMT
Gents settle down The boat is 57x10 I have specified 50mm sprayfoam and am going for double glazed windows. I appreciate all of the advice and opinions, in the end its up to me to make the decision hopefully informed. Phil I think I need more reading regarding Steel / Cast
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Post by kris on Nov 8, 2017 20:51:53 GMT
Gents settle down The boat is 57x10 I have specified 50mm sprayfoam and am going for double glazed windows. I appreciate all of the advice and opinions, in the end its up to me to make the decision hopefully informed. Phil I think I need more reading regarding Steel / Cast In my opinion the main advantage of steel over cast is that it's easier to have steel mended if it does break. Cast is kind of traditional for fires, but remember if you get a new cast fire, your not meant to light a really big fire in it straight away. Gradually building the heat of the fires up is supposed to help them not crack, which they can be prone to.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 8, 2017 21:30:02 GMT
Gents settle down The boat is 57x10 I have specified 50mm sprayfoam and am going for double glazed windows. I appreciate all of the advice and opinions, in the end its up to me to make the decision hopefully informed. Phil I think I need more reading regarding Steel / Cast Stoves have traditionally been cast. The material is thick and retains the heat well, ie it helps stabilise the skin temperature. Initially steel stoves were the new boys, built down to a price and suffered from warping, because the steel was thin. These days steel stoves can be just as good as cast in terms of quality and durability. But they are just as expensive if they are any good. If you buy a cheap steel stove you’re likely to be disappointed. If you buy a steel stove that is a similar price to a cast one, it will likely be fine. The look of steel tends to be more modern, if style is important to you.
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Post by bromleyxphil on Nov 8, 2017 22:19:24 GMT
Lots of good info there guys, thanks both
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 8, 2017 22:30:40 GMT
Gents settle down The boat is 57x10 I have specified 50mm sprayfoam and am going for double glazed windows. I appreciate all of the advice and opinions, in the end its up to me to make the decision hopefully informed. Phil I think I need more reading regarding Steel / Cast In my opinion the main advantage of steel over cast is that it's easier to have steel mended if it does break. Cast is kind of traditional for fires, but remember if you get a new cast fire, your not meant to light a really big fire in it straight away. Gradually building the heat of the fires up is supposed to help them not crack, which they can be prone to. They do say this (about not lighting a really big fire straight away) but I think it mainly applies to the first couple of times you light it. When we want to light the stove, we just light it with paper, a firefighter, dry kindling, and smokeless coal. The aim is to get it going ASAP, not to start it slowly. No cracks so far! Cast can be porous and so if you don’t ventilate the stove properly when not in use, it can accumulate damp (eg if you don’t cap the chimney and open the vents) and the damp can cause problems when you first light it. But that is only an issue the first time you light it in the autumn, or if you are an evil leisure boater like me. Anyway best to ensure it doesn’t get damp as this helps stop corrosion.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 10, 2017 10:40:11 GMT
Gents settle down The boat is 57x10 I have specified 50mm sprayfoam and am going for double glazed windows. I appreciate all of the advice and opinions, in the end its up to me to make the decision hopefully informed. Phil I think I need more reading regarding Steel / Cast Would have thought 5kW would be ample. Maybe 7kW would play OK IF it can tickover at a really low level, if not there's a risk it'll be too much for milder conditions. One way to size a stove would be use a 1kW eleccy heater off a shoreline, see how much warmer it makes the boat than outdoors.
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