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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 17:34:00 GMT
I wasn't serious  I love peace and quiet too. Not a lot of that now I live in the city but it does happen now and then. |
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 16:50:18 GMT
The damp situation is getting steadily worse despite having all the windows open every day, so I've just been out and bought a dehumidifier. I have to let it settle until 7pm, then I'll block the vents, let the stove go out, keep the central heating on and see what it does. Everywhere cold air gets trapped is wet apart from the better sealed cupboards.
The other boat had more permanent ventilation, I'm thinking that once I've dehumidified I will add more mushroom vents for starters. There isn't anything else apart from one smallish mushroom vent in each space, so the entire kitchen/living room ventilation is one mushroom. That can't possibly be enough despite the draughty side hatch. The large rear bedroom is the same - one vent.
Not enough is it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 18:12:12 GMT
Get yourself one of these. www.kaercher.com/uk/home-garden/window-vac/wv5-premium-16334510.htmlReligiously do the windows and always use it on the shower when finished. Way better than having damp chamois leathers or microfiber cloths hanging about. It won't improve your ventilation of insulation but it's a good way of quickly as easily drying wet surfaces & condensation |
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 18:36:03 GMT
Weeeeelllll, the thing is this was not a problem whatsoever in my previous boat where my devotion consisted of opening the door if it got too hot. This fekka is whole different barrel of cheese. It's not me or what I'm not doing, the basic fit out is utterly shit burgers.
Not enough ventillation.
Not enough insulation.
Non existant damp membrane.
Bollocks!
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 19:56:39 GMT
There's a certain naivety in buying a boat like that. Just sayin'. You are right. My son's first words after stepping on board were "it's not going to be warm like the other boat", but it's twice as big despite being only 10ft longer outside and perfect in every other way for us, except for the dirty grill. It was more a case of suck it and see than outright naivety. If we can find a way of keeping on top of it for a few months it'll be all good. Then we'll paint the outside up and sell for a profit hopefully covering the mooring fees as did the last boat. Free living, free motoring, what's a bit of damp?  |
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 20:22:09 GMT
If there's 240v then I'd experiment with an oil-filled electric radiator on 24 hours/day. It can only be damp inside all the time if there's water inside. Bilge dry? Leak? Engine room floor dry? Our boat was definitely not built for permanent living yet it is always dry and smell-less when we get back to it and open the doors, and warm in 10 minutes once the stove has been lit. Dude, we have a 5kw solid fuel stove 24/7 and 5kw Webasto central heating blasting away. It's t-shirts and bare feet in here! We are not cold at any point, but the steel hull is and there is no damp proof membrane between our jolly warm damp lives and the steel hull. Result is condensation on the steel, all of it. It drips out of the joins in the ceiling panelling here and there. This is what I need to deal with, it's not a comfort thing. |
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 14, 2017 20:34:11 GMT
So, foxy, the dehydrating machine has been chuntering away in my sealed bedroom since 7pm. This is a very small bedroom with three Windows which were ondensation free after leaving them open all day in the 75deg heat from it's central heating radiator. When I go to bed, I'll see how much it's amassed, though it's not really long enough for impressive results.and was the last room to show symptoms. Bathroom next even though I get dripped on 8 ft from the fire in the sitting room bit. grr.
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Post by patty on Dec 15, 2017 9:20:24 GMT
So, foxy, the dehydrating machine has been chuntering away in my sealed bedroom since 7pm. This is a very small bedroom with three Windows which were ondensation free after leaving them open all day in the 75deg heat from it's central heating radiator. When I go to bed, I'll see how much it's amassed, though it's not really long enough for impressive results.and was the last room to show symptoms. Bathroom next even though I get dripped on 8 ft from the fire in the sitting room bit. grr. Watch the container doesn't overfill..that happened here with the one I've got and then I had to leave it resting again... The front porch is only single skin and gets soggy but now I ignore all winter and deal with in the summer... I also now use as a wood store and shut the door on the damp. The house itself is ok as long as I keep all the fires going but I only have to be away for couple days for the damp to take over. |
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 15, 2017 10:19:15 GMT
There was a couple of litres in it this morning, I measured it. A fair amount for 12 hours running I'd say?
The hole to the bathroom isn't really doing what I wrote on the tin. The hot air goes through fine, in the right direction, but then it deposits the water it's carrying on the cold surfaces in there. Doh! I didn't think of that!
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Post by milsat on Dec 17, 2017 7:41:43 GMT
There was a couple of litres in it this morning, I measured it. A fair amount for 12 hours running I'd say? The hole to the bathroom isn't really doing what I wrote on the tin. The hot air goes through fine, in the right direction, but then it deposits the water it's carrying on the cold surfaces in there. Doh! I didn't think of that! I had similar in the truck. 10Ton Bedford TK with wooden horsebox body. The steel roof of the saloon was lined with 3ply board with a 25mm gap 'cause it was glued to the frame. On a bad night I got rained on. As a 'temporary measure' I bought some cans of monkey spunk from the local DIY and injected it into the cavity (Oh! Matron!). I intended to replace the lining. Six years on and I'm in if it ain't broke don't fix it mode. Don't over fill. This stuff expands something progressive! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 8:44:25 GMT
There was a couple of litres in it this morning, I measured it. A fair amount for 12 hours running I'd say? The hole to the bathroom isn't really doing what I wrote on the tin. The hot air goes through fine, in the right direction, but then it deposits the water it's carrying on the cold surfaces in there. Doh! I didn't think of that! A second multi fuel stove on the boat, get the lad a decent bow saw (30 or 36 inch one) and some decent blades (sandvik, bahco, bushman) and just keep both fires going well. If the boat gets too hot open doors. Its much easier to lose excess heat than to gain it and one obvious advantage of a hot boat is the interior remains dry and opening doors encourages this even more. That's what I'd do anyway. By decent bow saw I mean something like this Look at this on eBay www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162776653112With a new blade. I'm a bow saw nutter. I have matching Bushman 24",30" and 36" saws, an old Sandvik 30" and matching Tyzack Turner 24" and 30". I'm still looking for a 42" jobbie - they are a bit unusual. I love sawing wood with a decent bow saw. Its a joy. |
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Post by peterboat on Dec 17, 2017 11:24:22 GMT
Get yourself one of these. www.kaercher.com/uk/home-garden/window-vac/wv5-premium-16334510.htmlReligiously do the windows and always use it on the shower when finished. Way better than having damp chamois leathers or microfiber cloths hanging about. It won't improve your ventilation of insulation but it's a good way of quickly as easily drying wet surfaces & condensation Dont get one of these they are junk!! mine has been replaced 3 times!! when I went to PC world they had boxes of them knackered under the counter utter and total crap my last one has broke and the warranty has run out total shite |
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 17, 2017 12:55:53 GMT
Well, the new machine is still happily making the air drier. We move it about a bit but I don't think it much matters where it is. We have very little condensation on the windows now and the damp panels are doing a good impression of drying out a bit, on the surface at any rate.
I'm forming the opinion that making it hotter inside the boat merely enables the hot air to hold more water to deposit on the cold bits. For now the dehumidifier sees to be gaining on it, next year I will add extra permanent ventilation to the roof to take away the hot damp air, and add (there isn't any!) some low level vents to let air in - in the hope of getting a cycle of air going the right general direction. Colder feet but never mind.
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Post by Gone on Dec 17, 2017 13:16:49 GMT
Bahco tools are now also made in Argentina. I wonder how many 'Falklands veterans' will be supporting Argentina's economy buy buying such? By the way, I bought a packet of 'chilli nuts' the other day, coated peanuts. Too much garlic, I noticed, so I looked at the packet and see the peanuts are from Argentina! “There is a general consensus that there is low quality of education in Argentina" www.buenosairesherald.com/article/208537/argentina-among-worst-for-education-says-oecd-reportDon't need a high level of education to make saw blades and pick peanuts............... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 13:29:54 GMT
Well, the new machine is still happily making the air drier. We move it about a bit but I don't think it much matters where it is. We have very little condensation on the windows now and the damp panels are doing a good impression of drying out a bit, on the surface at any rate. I'm forming the opinion that making it hotter inside the boat merely enables the hot air to hold more water to deposit on the cold bits. For now the dehumidifier sees to be gaining on it, next year I will add extra permanent ventilation to the roof to take away the hot damp air, and add (there isn't any!) some low level vents to let air in - in the hope of getting a cycle of air going the right general direction. Colder feet but never mind. It depends how you heat the interior up. Electric and clueless gas heaters will make I more damp. Coal fires and flued diesel or gas heaters will dry the boat out. When a stove burns it uses air to do this so it is in effect a "fan" of sorts it draws air through from a low level and chucks it out the top of the boat. Exchanging the air in the boat helps keep it dry. Its funny how draughts are seen as a bad thing and people try to stop them. They are a necessary part of ventilation, specially on boats. I love the low level air flow across the floor of my barge. The woman dislikes it. It might be a bit chilly sometimes but I know the air is being regularly replaced and I quite like air to be honest. I'm sure life would be less enjoyable with no air. |
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