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Post by TonyDunkley on Dec 31, 2017 21:38:26 GMT
Sounds like something fairly dramatic happened. Was it a collision while the boat was unoccupied? I would have thought there would be internal signs of that like things displaced from shelves etc. Or if it was when someone was steering the boat it sounds like reversing into a concrete bank lower than the fender. I would have said take the rudder off but it depends on the design of the rudder. Old and more traditional narrow boats were and are designed in a way which makes the rudder removable without people getting wet but this is not the case with more modern boats. Some modern nbs even have the blade bolted to the stock.. Seems a strange design but I suppose the blade itself is removable but it would need someone getting into the water. And a lot of modern boats have ball bearings at the top rather than plain bearings. Not a good design IMO but there we are. Good luck with it. Warstock bearing so I hope if the swan neck pops the plate will just nudge up and drop out which would make life a tad easier. Is it a one piece stock between the rams head and the skeg cup, or a two piece job with a connecting flange under the counter on the top edge of the rudder blade ? It makes a big difference to where, and how it's best to get the rudder off, . . . clearance height under the counter if you drop it in a short pound, or depth of water if you do it afloat. Once you've got it off, you might find that cutting off the bent part and getting a repair piece of new plate welded on is better/easier than trying to straighten out the mangled stuff.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 1, 2018 2:53:29 GMT
Warstock bearing so I hope if the swan neck pops the plate will just nudge up and drop out which would make life a tad easier. Is it a one piece stock between the rams head and the skeg cup, or a two piece job with a connecting flange under the counter on the top edge of the rudder blade ? It makes a big difference to where, and how it's best to get the rudder off, . . . clearance height under the counter if you drop it in a short pound, or depth of water if you do it afloat. Once you've got it off, you might find that cutting off the bent part and getting a repair piece of new plate welded on is better/easier than trying to straighten out the mangled stuff. That's not a bad shout. Probably a lot easier than straightening it out and it will look better as you will never get it straight straight
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 16:45:57 GMT
Depends on the state of it.
A good man on a press can work wonders with a mangled bit of steel.
At 10 mm thick the rudder will want a good bit of prep - double vee and a handy bloke on the torch to do a decent non distorted job of gluing it back together. There won't be much in it time wise between what ever method is used to make it look pretty. Obviously the availability of a good welder or a press may make that decision easier!
Again, a picture would help give you the answer to the best course of action to take.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 18:36:12 GMT
I hate insurance but it might be interesting to present photographs to an insurance company and see what they suggest.
My boats are only insured 3rd party as I -do- hate insurance but if a boat were insured fully comp then maybe something like this would be claimable? I don't know but if it was it would be interesting to see what they said. I would expect an insurance company to go for the lowest cost option with some degree of expertise.
Or maybe not.
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Post by Jim on Jan 2, 2018 12:29:06 GMT
Find your local staircase locks, set the boat down with rudder over cill, drain the one below, there you go, rudder accessible. On occasion, as my mooring is in a small pound, the fairies or the last hireboat through have drained the pound for me to do jobs. I once built a couple of brick piers, floated the Dawncraft 22 over, set it down on them and replaced the wooden bilge keels with recycled polythene timbers.
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Post by aquarat on Jan 3, 2018 13:09:42 GMT
Thanks all, in no signal land at the moment, will update when I can
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 16:41:22 GMT
Ok.
He's got no signal now so can't read this.
I reckon he was a twat and whacked the rudder on a low concrete bank while reversing too much.
This was either to avoid an oncoming boat or more likely part of an incompetent turning maneouver.
Nobody bends a 10mm rudder blade without knowing about it.
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Post by patty on Jan 3, 2018 17:15:55 GMT
Ok. He's got no signal now so can't read this. I reckon he was a twat and whacked the rudder on a low concrete bank while reversing too much. This was either to avoid an oncoming boat or more likely part of an incompetent turning maneouver. Nobody bends a 10mm rudder blade without knowing about it. Hmmm so how long u keeping this post up?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 17:20:19 GMT
I won't delete it. New year resolution. Do not delete posts
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Post by patty on Jan 3, 2018 18:32:51 GMT
I won't delete it. New year resolution. Do not delete posts You are very brave.....but then working undercover for MI whats its face you have to be..........
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