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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 5, 2016 22:58:54 GMT
I started a thread some time ago suggesting that the various politicians involved in the in/ out campaign were making a total pig's ear of things. On this basis those who want out, as I do, should take the matter in their own hands, as much as they are able. I suggested us 'outers' should make it our aim to each convince one person who would have voted 'in' to change their mind.
Today my mum has changed her mind, and will now vote 'out'. My dad was a lost cause, thinking that anyone who wanted to leave the union was a bigot. A classic case of someone with an entrenched view not understanding the definition of bigotry.
Anyway, back to my mum:
I suggested to her that once upon a time in her nice suburb there were lots of little woods that her children could play in. 30 years on they have all gone, swallowed up by housing to meet the needs of a growing population.
I suggested to her that in years gone by the rush hour used to start at 7.30 and end just after 9.00. Followed by another in the late afternoon. Nowadays there's no obvious rush hour, just solid traffic from 6.30 a.m. until 7.00 p.m. Does she really want her great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren to suffer gridlock from 5.00 a.m. until 10.00 p.m.?
I asked her if she really wanted to support a racist club. A club that offers freedom of movement to the privileged mostly caucasian members whilst excluding those from different regions, of a different skin colour. Not just that. By excluding those of a different colour in favour of those privileged causasian Europeans the country will suffer in its futile efforts to restrict immigration. Suffer in that those blacks, Chinese etc. etc. with valuable skills will be excluded, unable to make their positive contribution. Better to have a European shop worker rather than a black engineer eh
I've done my bit. Anyone else up for doing their bit?
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 5, 2016 23:05:02 GMT
I can't wait until we leave and I don't have to get stuck in traffic any more... What fucking planet do you live on?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 5, 2016 23:09:51 GMT
I can't wait until we leave and I don't have to get stuck in traffic any more... What fucking planet do you live on? Just my take on things. Some may see it as pie in the sky, so be it. There again, when an apparent expert predicts world war 3 on exit, it tends to narrow the difference between expert and mere citizen.
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 5, 2016 23:14:22 GMT
This s a great example of why there shouldn't be a referendum.
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Post by canaldweller on Jun 5, 2016 23:17:43 GMT
I started a thread some time ago suggesting that the various politicians involved in the in/ out campaign were making a total pig's ear of things. On this basis those who want out, as I do, should take the matter in their own hands, as much as they are able. I suggested us 'outers' should make it our aim to each convince one person who would have voted 'in' to change their mind. Today my mum has changed her mind, and will now vote 'out'. My dad was a lost cause, thinking that anyone who wanted to leave the union was a bigot. A classic case of someone with an entrenched view not understanding the definition of bigotry. Anyway, back to my mum: I suggested to her that once upon a time in her nice suburb there were lots of little woods that her children could play in. 30 years on they have all gone, swallowed up by housing to meet the needs of a growing population. I suggested to her that in years gone by the rush hour used to start at 7.30 and end just after 9.00. Followed by another in the late afternoon. Nowadays there's no obvious rush hour, just solid traffic from 6.30 a.m. until 7.00 p.m. Does she really want her great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren to suffer gridlock from 5.00 a.m. until 10.00 p.m.? I asked her if she really wanted to support a racist club. A club that offers freedom of movement to the privileged mostly caucasian members whilst excluding those from different regions, of a different skin colour. Not just that. By excluding those of a different colour in favour of those privileged causasian Europeans the country will suffer in its futile efforts to restrict immigration. Suffer in that those blacks, Chinese etc. etc. with valuable skills will be excluded, unable to make their positive contribution. Better to have a European shop worker rather than a black engineer eh I've done my bit. Anyone else up for doing their bit? Your mum thinks that by voting out there will be no more traffic jams? Wow! you are a convincing chappy aren't you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 10:53:00 GMT
I started a thread some time ago suggesting that the various politicians involved in the in/ out campaign were making a total pig's ear of things. On this basis those who want out, as I do, should take the matter in their own hands, as much as they are able. I suggested us 'outers' should make it our aim to each convince one person who would have voted 'in' to change their mind. Today my mum has changed her mind, and will now vote 'out'. My dad was a lost cause, thinking that anyone who wanted to leave the union was a bigot. A classic case of someone with an entrenched view not understanding the definition of bigotry. Anyway, back to my mum: I suggested to her that once upon a time in her nice suburb there were lots of little woods that her children could play in. 30 years on they have all gone, swallowed up by housing to meet the needs of a growing population. I suggested to her that in years gone by the rush hour used to start at 7.30 and end just after 9.00. Followed by another in the late afternoon. Nowadays there's no obvious rush hour, just solid traffic from 6.30 a.m. until 7.00 p.m. Does she really want her great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren to suffer gridlock from 5.00 a.m. until 10.00 p.m.? I asked her if she really wanted to support a racist club. A club that offers freedom of movement to the privileged mostly caucasian members whilst excluding those from different regions, of a different skin colour. Not just that. By excluding those of a different colour in favour of those privileged causasian Europeans the country will suffer in its futile efforts to restrict immigration. Suffer in that those blacks, Chinese etc. etc. with valuable skills will be excluded, unable to make their positive contribution. Better to have a European shop worker rather than a black engineer eh I've done my bit. Anyone else up for doing their bit? Jesus! that was hard going,I can't make any sense of that.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 6, 2016 11:57:51 GMT
I suppose what I was getting at is that not everyone thinks a few quid a week either way is the most important thing in life. My mum doesn't care about money but she cares very much about her family. So, I tailored my argument to suit what's important to her.
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 6, 2016 11:59:41 GMT
You spun her a load of bullshit is what you did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 12:14:45 GMT
I suppose what I was getting at is that not everyone thinks a few quid a week either way is the most important thing in life. My mum doesn't care about money but she cares very much about her family. So, I tailored my argument to suit what's important to her. I agree with that ,the money argument has no bearing on Brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 12:17:15 GMT
I started a thread some time ago suggesting that the various politicians involved in the in/ out campaign were making a total pig's ear of things. On this basis those who want out, as I do, should take the matter in their own hands, as much as they are able. I suggested us 'outers' should make it our aim to each convince one person who would have voted 'in' to change their mind. Today my mum has changed her mind, and will now vote 'out'. My dad was a lost cause, thinking that anyone who wanted to leave the union was a bigot. A classic case of someone with an entrenched view not understanding the definition of bigotry. Anyway, back to my mum: I suggested to her that once upon a time in her nice suburb there were lots of little woods that her children could play in. 30 years on they have all gone, swallowed up by housing to meet the needs of a growing population. I suggested to her that in years gone by the rush hour used to start at 7.30 and end just after 9.00. Followed by another in the late afternoon. Nowadays there's no obvious rush hour, just solid traffic from 6.30 a.m. until 7.00 p.m. Does she really want her great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren to suffer gridlock from 5.00 a.m. until 10.00 p.m.? I asked her if she really wanted to support a racist club. A club that offers freedom of movement to the privileged mostly caucasian members whilst excluding those from different regions, of a different skin colour. Not just that. By excluding those of a different colour in favour of those privileged causasian Europeans the country will suffer in its futile efforts to restrict immigration. Suffer in that those blacks, Chinese etc. etc. with valuable skills will be excluded, unable to make their positive contribution. Better to have a European shop worker rather than a black engineer eh I've done my bit. Anyone else up for doing their bit? Well Ricco you used to spout some shit on CWDF but you have excelled yourself here. You haven't really 'done your bit' you have simply duped somebody into thinking leaving the EU will solve all the ills of this country. But to be fair to you this is no better an effort than the professional Brexiters are feeding to the British Public via. the press nor for that matter no better than the 'Remainers' are. However sadly this is the level of decision making that a lot ( the majority) of people will apply to their vote, coupled of course with the stoking of exaggerated consequences of 'unfettered' EU Immigration. I even know of people who seriously still believe that if we come out of the EU it will stop people coming illegally from none EU countries, really? I can just see it now. (not). The more I read and hear the more I align myself with those that think it was a seriously bad idea to hand this over the 'Great British' public to decide on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 12:19:34 GMT
I have been wondering if any people have been finally swayed one way or the other,have they perhaps learned some " jaw dropping" fact that has finally made their decision for them. Jenlyn and MJG were two posters who I think at one time intimated they were undecided,I don't want to know your decision necessarily, but have you reached a conclusion yet?
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Post by peterboat on Jun 6, 2016 12:20:51 GMT
Funnily enough I agree with him, we are full dont need anymore people here we dont have housing or infrastructure to cope with them, so its time to say goodbye to the EU before we sink. Cameron was on R2 today saying how wonderful it all is, but never really answered the questions or anything but scare scare scare!!! he is a buffoon and with luck will be gone soon when we vote out
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 12:22:14 GMT
Sorry Martin didn't see your post above,really surprised about your last sentence,very similar to Delta9 and his view
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 6, 2016 12:27:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 12:30:54 GMT
I started a thread some time ago suggesting that the various politicians involved in the in/ out campaign were making a total pig's ear of things. On this basis those who want out, as I do, should take the matter in their own hands, as much as they are able. I suggested us 'outers' should make it our aim to each convince one person who would have voted 'in' to change their mind. Today my mum has changed her mind, and will now vote 'out'. My dad was a lost cause, thinking that anyone who wanted to leave the union was a bigot. A classic case of someone with an entrenched view not understanding the definition of bigotry. Anyway, back to my mum: I suggested to her that once upon a time in her nice suburb there were lots of little woods that her children could play in. 30 years on they have all gone, swallowed up by housing to meet the needs of a growing population. I suggested to her that in years gone by the rush hour used to start at 7.30 and end just after 9.00. Followed by another in the late afternoon. Nowadays there's no obvious rush hour, just solid traffic from 6.30 a.m. until 7.00 p.m. Does she really want her great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren to suffer gridlock from 5.00 a.m. until 10.00 p.m.? I asked her if she really wanted to support a racist club. A club that offers freedom of movement to the privileged mostly caucasian members whilst excluding those from different regions, of a different skin colour. Not just that. By excluding those of a different colour in favour of those privileged causasian Europeans the country will suffer in its futile efforts to restrict immigration. Suffer in that those blacks, Chinese etc. etc. with valuable skills will be excluded, unable to make their positive contribution. Better to have a European shop worker rather than a black engineer eh I've done my bit. Anyone else up for doing their bit? Well Ricco you used to spout some shit on CWDF but you have excelled yourself here. You haven't really 'done your bit' you have simply duped somebody into thinking leaving the EU will solve all the ills of this country. But to be fair to you this is no better an effort than the professional Brexiters are feeding to the British Public via. the press nor for that matter no better than the 'Remainers' are. However sadly this is the level of decision making that a lot ( the majority) of people will apply to their vote, coupled of course with the stoking of exaggerated consequences of 'unfettered' EU Immigration. I even know of people who seriously still believe that if we come out of the EU it will stop people coming illegally from none EU countries, really? I can just see it now. (not). The more I read and hear the more I align myself with those that think it was a seriously bad idea to hand this over the 'Great British' public to decide on. Surely Martin and Delta9,I address both of you as you appear to share the same opinion,its a bad day for democracy when the British People in your opinion are too stupid to be trusted to make a decision.Is it not perhaps more fair to say that the Politicians of either persuasion have failed to make a convincing argument on which the Public can base a valid opinion upon
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