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Post by peterboat on Jun 6, 2016 21:14:03 GMT
Peterboat picked up on the main reason why I want us to leave. Britain is full. It's not just the cost of building infrastructure for an increasing population. That point has been done to death by the ineffective 'out' politicians. More important, to me, is that increased population has negative spin offs. Or at least, spin offs that are negative to me. Loss of green land, increased traffic and pollution. Quality of life in general, as the vast majority of people are happier having space rather than being crowded together. That's what convinced my mother to change her mind. Exactly Ricco It bothers me that people see fields all over and dont think food in production or natural flood plains, they think it would be lovely to have a house there. Why because they want some space most people dont want live on top of each other, as boaters we know that by mooring away from others for the most part. But with the level of migration that we have the country will be destroyed and our ability to look after ourselves as well.
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Post by macwolfelee on Jun 6, 2016 22:41:56 GMT
Surely Martin and Delta9,I address both of you as you appear to share the same opinion,its a bad day for democracy when the British People in your opinion are too stupid to be trusted to make a decision.Is it not perhaps more fair to say that the Politicians of either persuasion have failed to make a convincing argument on which the Public can base a valid opinion upon You will not be surprised to hear that I agree with MJG and Delta9 that the referendum should not have taken place. Not because the Great British Public are incapable of making a decision on the future of the country, but because the only reasons it is taking place are infighting in the Tory party and a desperate attempt by Cameron to head off an ultimately pathetic UKIP threat and hang on to power. These are disgraceful and unworthy reasons to put the future of the whole of Europe in jeopardy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 4:45:34 GMT
Surely Martin and Delta9,I address both of you as you appear to share the same opinion,its a bad day for democracy when the British People in your opinion are too stupid to be trusted to make a decision.Is it not perhaps more fair to say that the Politicians of either persuasion have failed to make a convincing argument on which the Public can base a valid opinion upon You will not be surprised to hear that I agree with MJG and Delta9 that the referendum should not have taken place. Not because the Great British Public are incapable of making a decision on the future of the country, but because the only reasons it is taking place are infighting in the Tory party and a desperate attempt by Cameron to head off an ultimately pathetic UKIP threat and hang on to power. These are disgraceful and unworthy reasons to put the future of the whole of Europe in jeopardy. For me the only interesting fact to come from that allegiance is that you appear to agree but for different reasons.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 7, 2016 11:25:21 GMT
You and Ricco miss the point. Leaving will only change things regarding EU immigration IF the UK is able to close it's borders in the way envisaged by some. I don;t believe we will be able to for the reasons I have already outlined. So if voting is based on that than you are voting under a misapprehension IMHO. I believe a lot of the remain folk are missing the point. That point is, we will arrange a trade agreement that is suitable to us, not like Norway or Switzerland but like the rest of the world, remembering that the EU needs our trade. Its smaller businesses that lean towards leave and larger companies that want to remain.....ask yourself why, Coz they make sh*t loads as do the financial leaders.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 11:43:58 GMT
You and Ricco miss the point. Leaving will only change things regarding EU immigration IF the UK is able to close it's borders in the way envisaged by some. I don;t believe we will be able to for the reasons I have already outlined. So if voting is based on that than you are voting under a misapprehension IMHO. I believe a lot of the remain folk are missing the point. That point is, we will arrange a trade agreement that is suitable to us, not like Norway or Switzerland but like the rest of the world, remembering that the EU needs our trade. Its smaller businesses that lean towards leave and larger companies that want to remain.....ask yourself why, Coz they make sh*t loads as do the financial leaders. So what changes if we leave then? Suddenly big business leaders won't make money any more?? - how exactly will that work if we are outside the EU and still trading with them?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 12:04:42 GMT
I believe a lot of the remain folk are missing the point. That point is, we will arrange a trade agreement that is suitable to us, not like Norway or Switzerland but like the rest of the world, remembering that the EU needs our trade. Its smaller businesses that lean towards leave and larger companies that want to remain.....ask yourself why, Coz they make sh*t loads as do the financial leaders. So what changes if we leave then? Suddenly big business leaders won't make money any more?? - how exactly will that work if we are outside the EU and still trading with them? I don't think much will change,at least not initially,I believe that the risk to business is being ramped up mercilessly by the Remain Camp.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 7, 2016 12:35:25 GMT
I believe a lot of the remain folk are missing the point. That point is, we will arrange a trade agreement that is suitable to us, not like Norway or Switzerland but like the rest of the world, remembering that the EU needs our trade. Its smaller businesses that lean towards leave and larger companies that want to remain.....ask yourself why, Coz they make sh*t loads as do the financial leaders. So what changes if we leave then? Suddenly big business leaders won't make money any more?? - how exactly will that work if we are outside the EU and still trading with them? No, they will still make money, but profits will be reduced as they wont be able to use cheap EU labour anymore.
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Post by Phil on Jun 7, 2016 13:44:30 GMT
I believe a lot of the remain folk are missing the point. That point is, we will arrange a trade agreement that is suitable to us, not like Norway or Switzerland but like the rest of the world, remembering that the EU needs our trade. Its smaller businesses that lean towards leave and larger companies that want to remain.....ask yourself why, Coz they make sh*t loads as do the financial leaders. So what changes if we leave then? Suddenly big business leaders won't make money any more?? - how exactly will that work if we are outside the EU and still trading with them? What changes as far as business is concerned is nothing, life will go on. Business will find away to deal with each other. What changes is that a once sovereign country is no longer subservient to undemocratic unelected corrupt officials of the EU. let me explain in simple terms why you should not believe the guff from remain, I will use merkal as the example. She recently stated it would be difficult for the UK to negotiate a trade deal with the EU. Of course she is going to say this. She is hardly likely to say, no problem UK go ahead and leave and we will sort something out, as this is precisely what we would do if she did. But here is the rub. So longer as enough Brits still have the nerve that earlier braver generations had, we wont be brow beaten into submission, we will leave and then you will see it will all work out just fine. finally as this the thread about doing your bit. I have written to that prat John major and informed him that it is a bit rich claiming the brexit campaign is deceitful when as prime minister he gave away more sovereign powers than just about any other leader in history without once asking for our permission and that if he had spent more time on doing the job of PM rather than being on the job banging Edwina his premiership would not have been the disaster for the country and the Tory party that it was. so MJG lets see that stiff upper lip and hear no more of this I've switched to remain nonsense. and by the way, how dare you deface the Union Flag with that monstrosity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 14:20:36 GMT
So what changes if we leave then? Suddenly big business leaders won't make money any more?? - how exactly will that work if we are outside the EU and still trading with them? What changes as far as business is concerned is nothing, life will go on. Business will find away to deal with each other. What changes is that a once sovereign country is no longer subservient to undemocratic unelected corrupt officials of the EU. let me explain in simple terms why you should not believe the guff from remain, I will use merkal as the example. She recently stated it would be difficult for the UK to negotiate a trade deal with the EU. Of course she is going to say this. She is hardly likely to say, no problem UK go ahead and leave and we will sort something out, as this is precisely what we would do if she did. But here is the rub. So longer as enough Brits still have the nerve that earlier braver generations had, we wont be brow beaten into submission, we will leave and then you will see it will all work out just fine. finally as this the thread about doing your bit. I have written to that prat John major and informed him that it is a bit rich claiming the brexit campaign is deceitful when as prime minister he gave away more sovereign powers than just about any other leader in history without once asking for our permission and that if he had spent more time on doing the job of PM rather than being on the job banging Edwina his premiership would not have been the disaster for the country and the Tory party that it was. so MJG lets see that stiff upper lip and hear no more of this I've switched to remain nonsense. and by the way, how dare you deface the Union Flag with that monstrosity. Exactly nothing changes as I thought. So there must be another reason. As to the avatar - good innit..
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 7, 2016 20:10:20 GMT
As to the avatar - good innit.. I suppose it is, if you like the idea of your country being taken over by an external force. No doubt some people in Poland welcomed the swastika in 1939.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 20:30:36 GMT
As to the avatar - good innit.. I suppose it is, if you like the idea of your country being taken over by an external force. No doubt some people in Poland welcomed the swastika in 1939. Captain cliche speaks..... you sound just like fuckwit Farage on ITV just now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 20:46:03 GMT
I look at it this way. What will happen to bosch, bmw, mercedes, Peugeot, edf etc etc etc. Will they want to stop trading here? Of course they won't. What I did find interesting was a statement I read the other day, that even if we vote leave, the pro Europe mp's of parliament, will use their majority, and parliament to override the vote. So it's all bollocks in my view.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 7, 2016 20:49:03 GMT
I suppose it is, if you like the idea of your country being taken over by an external force. No doubt some people in Poland welcomed the swastika in 1939. Captain cliche speaks..... you sound just like fuckwit Farage on ITV just now. I'll take your word for it, I never watch "the idiot box".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 21:02:19 GMT
Captain cliche speaks..... you sound just like fuckwit Farage on ITV just now. I'll take your word for it, I never watch "the idiot box". Yes so you have told us previously......many times. You are a bit like predictive text. Cameron by a short head I would say. Fuckwit Farage waving his passport about looked a right dick....
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 7, 2016 21:11:41 GMT
I'll let you into a secret, Martin.
I had a PM exchange with someone on CWDF once, and the topic came along to you. I said "I imagine in real life he is nothing like he comes across as on the internet" and she said "Oh yes he is, I've met him, he's a complete and total wanker".
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