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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 9:04:51 GMT
I say she should come home and face justice. The proper way, not convicted by facebook.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 22, 2019 9:19:35 GMT
I say she should come home and face justice. The proper way, not convicted by facebook. if approximately half of those numbers come home and are imprisoned it works out that the cost would be the same as building a brand new NHS hospital or half a dozen schools ......... financially, not a wise move. cost of a prisoner for one year is between £35K and £50K depending which prison ........10 year sentence = between 1/3rd and 1/2 £million X say 400 prisoners cost of brand new NHS hospital including infrastructure, roads etc approx £160 million cost of a brand new school including 6th form depending area between £25 million and £35 million depending on area
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 9:24:30 GMT
I say she should come home and face justice. The proper way, not convicted by facebook. if approximately half of those numbers come home and are imprisoned it works out that the cost would be the same as building a brand new NHS hospital or half a dozen schools ......... financially, not a wise move. cost of a prisoner for one year is between £35K and £50K depending which prison ........10 year sentence = between 1/3rd and 1/2 £million X say 400 prisoners cost of brand new NHS hospital including infrastructure, roads etc approx £160 million cost of a brand new school including 6th form depending area between £25 million and £35 million depending on area Should we deny someone access to justice because of the cost. You assume they are all guilty.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 22, 2019 9:27:52 GMT
if approximately half of those numbers come home and are imprisoned it works out that the cost would be the same as building a brand new NHS hospital or half a dozen schools ......... financially, not a wise move. cost of a prisoner for one year is between £35K and £50K depending which prison ........10 year sentence = between 1/3rd and 1/2 £million X say 400 prisoners cost of brand new NHS hospital including infrastructure, roads etc approx £160 million cost of a brand new school including 6th form depending area between £25 million and £35 million depending on area Should we deny someone access to justice because of the cost. You assume they are all guilty. A) why should we spend that much on someone who has rejected the society and country that provides justice for it's citizens and joined a society whose justice is the knife and secondly I don't ... I have assumed only 50%
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 9:31:47 GMT
Should we deny someone access to justice because of the cost. You assume they are all guilty. A) why should we spend that much on someone who has rejected the society and country that provides justice for it's citizens and joined a society whose justice is the knife and secondly I don't ... I have assumed only 50% Up until this week she was a British citizen and deserved a fair trial as one. Or should we just start deporting British people who reject our society by breaking our laws. Like we used to 100s of years ago.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 9:32:40 GMT
I'm not convinced there is a right or wrong answer to all of this.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 22, 2019 9:38:09 GMT
if approximately half of those numbers come home and are imprisoned it works out that the cost would be the same as building a brand new NHS hospital or half a dozen schools ......... financially, not a wise move. cost of a prisoner for one year is between £35K and £50K depending which prison ........10 year sentence = between 1/3rd and 1/2 £million X say 400 prisoners cost of brand new NHS hospital including infrastructure, roads etc approx £160 million cost of a brand new school including 6th form depending area between £25 million and £35 million depending on area Should we deny someone access to justice because of the cost. You assume they are all guilty. I am with John ans Steve why let them return? If we refuse to allow any back it would send a clear message out that we dont tolerate terrorists! Because at the end of the day regardless of whether she killed anybody, she is unrepentant and is only coming back because nearly all her murdering comrades are dead or captured! I would have from the first refused any of them back, for me its good riddance to bad rubbish
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 9:41:54 GMT
Should we deny someone access to justice because of the cost. You assume they are all guilty. I am with John ans Steve why let them return? If we refuse to allow any back it would send a clear message out that we dont tolerate terrorists! Because at the end of the day regardless of whether she killed anybody, she is unrepentant and is only coming back because nearly all her murdering comrades are dead or captured! I would have from the first refused any of them back, for me its good riddance to bad rubbish Loads have already returned, why her, why now. It's a bit late to shut the stable door.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 22, 2019 9:46:01 GMT
I'm not convinced there is a right or wrong answer to all of this. possibly not but this cannot be equated with simple lawbreaking. To leave this society to go and join anoither, a violent brutal society, particularly to fight for but also to provide support and encouragement. A society who is the complete antithesis of all that this society attempts to achieve and promote. One whose only justice is the knife or the bullet. Why should we take them back at high cost and future risk to ourselves and our society
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 9:48:33 GMT
I'm not convinced there is a right or wrong answer to all of this. possibly not but this cannot be equated with simple lawbreaking. To leave this society to go and join anoither, a violent brutal society, particularly to fight for but also to provide support and encouragement. A society who is the complete antithesis of all that this society attempts to achieve and promote. One whose only justice is the knife or the bullet. Why should we take them back at high cost and future risk to ourselves and our society Then she should be tried. If innocent then there is no cost. Is there a future risk?
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 9:56:45 GMT
The subject of the burden of cost from our justice system is an interesting subject and one that could be a healthy debate.
I dont like it when people are not brought to justice because of the cost.
That is why we have some people going to jail for some offences and others who do worse escaping punishment.
Should she be left to rot in a Syrian refugee camp and probaly sentence the young child to death, because of the cost of justice.
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Post by NigelMoore on Feb 22, 2019 10:03:29 GMT
. . . should we just start deporting British people who reject our society by breaking our laws. Like we used to 100s of years ago. Just look at the unexpected benefits of that policy – a nation of Aussies steadfastly (and rather absurdly) loyal to the ‘mother country’.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 10:15:52 GMT
I was wondering whether preventing her from returning would deter others from being radicalised or not?
If she was radicalised here by her parents, then the real crime was committed by her parents (and the hate preaching group she attended). Presumably they are still here and are being allowed to spread hate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 10:50:07 GMT
Loads have already returned, why her, why now. It's a bit late to shut the stable door. Diversion from the real problems facing the country like Brexit? Funny timing isn't it.
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Post by patty on Feb 22, 2019 11:05:27 GMT
Loads have already returned, why her, why now. It's a bit late to shut the stable door. Diversion from the real problems facing the country like Brexit? Funny timing isn't it. To do find these diversionary tactics when something unpalatable to the Brits is hovering... Cannot remember facts but do remember thinking this before.. But as to whether this young lady is one who knows?
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