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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 11:22:37 GMT
A) why should we spend that much on someone who has rejected the society and country that provides justice for it's citizens and joined a society whose justice is the knife and secondly I don't ... I have assumed only 50% Up until this week she was a British citizen and deserved a fair trial as one. Or should we just start deporting British people who reject our society by breaking our laws. Like we used to 100s of years ago. Yep, just do that if they decide they want to be terrorists, let them stay where they are, thousands of decisions are made without clogging up the courts with mischievous and specious lawsuits.
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 22, 2019 11:33:12 GMT
I cant understand why the UK Government dont just bring her back under the strict understanding that she has to be a postergirl for their new anti terrorist campaign... π ISIS martyrdom....Forget about the 72 virgins, This WILL be your reward!
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Post by bodger on Feb 22, 2019 11:58:28 GMT
I haven't found any references to her father being involved in her grooming. Does anyone have a link? I'm not a mail fan however this is an interesting article. Seems between her father and some friends and an internet I.S recruiter a few of them were groomed. I find no reference to her father, only the father of an 'accomplice'.
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Post by bodger on Feb 22, 2019 12:04:14 GMT
I think it's time to break the impunity that people enjoy when setting up others for a life of terrorism. This already exists for preachers of hate, it should be extended to include other influencers, including family. Her father and given a good grilling. If it can be established that he assisted his daughter in her mission, possibly by financing her flight he should be charged with conspiring to commit terrorism and locked up for a long time. This should send out a clear message, it's no longer acceptable to bring up your children to hate your host country, one that will provide for you if you fall on hard times. No longer should family or culture be barriers to authorities weeding out the small percentage of those from different cultures who spoil things for the vast majority, who just want peaceful lives. If they don't like it, tough. Adapt, or leave. as I can find no reference to her father helping to groom her, it seems you are possibly creating fake news that helps no-one and only inflames the issue. has anyone found a reference to her father actually being involved in grooming her? I do agree with the suggestion that anyone grooming children to become Islamic radicals (or Christian radicals for that matter - fundamentalist Christian creationist Dubya Bush would fit into that category) should be subjected to harsh justice, possibly similar justice to that doled out to sexual groomers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 12:10:45 GMT
Chuck 'em in a lock on a windy day with a big barge coming in.
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 22, 2019 12:13:02 GMT
What harsh justice? Colour television and table tennis in prison? But, yes, bodger has a point, seem to be scarce facts in this case. Perhaps journalists are scared of reprisals. What happened to all the cocaine you just edited out, to be replaced by boring table tennis? π
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 12:14:53 GMT
I think it's time to break the impunity that people enjoy when setting up others for a life of terrorism. This already exists for preachers of hate, it should be extended to include other influencers, including family. Her father and given a good grilling. If it can be established that he assisted his daughter in her mission, possibly by financing her flight he should be charged with conspiring to commit terrorism and locked up for a long time. This should send out a clear message, it's no longer acceptable to bring up your children to hate your host country, one that will provide for you if you fall on hard times. No longer should family or culture be barriers to authorities weeding out the small percentage of those from different cultures who spoil things for the vast majority, who just want peaceful lives. If they don't like it, tough. Adapt, or leave. as I can find no reference to her father helping to groom her, it seems you are possibly creating fake news that helps no-one and only inflames the issue. has anyone found a reference to her father actually being involved in grooming her?Β I do agree with the suggestion that anyone grooming children to become Islamic radicals (or Christian radicals for that matter - fundamentalist Christian creationist Dubya Bush would fit into that category) should be subjected to harsh justice, possibly similar justice to that doled out to sexual groomers. Likewise no one has provided any evidence she has done anything but join an extremist cult.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 12:20:52 GMT
Jenlyn suggested on page 13 that the father had been going to see Anjem Choudary. No idea where he got that info from.
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Post by bodger on Feb 22, 2019 13:04:08 GMT
Likewise no one has provided any evidence she has done anything but join an extremist cult. ......................... which has declared war on western civilisation and AFAIK is a proscribed organisation, and of course actually carries its extremist views into violent action on the battlefields, many of which are only occupied by innocent civilians. hardly everyone's idea of 'an extremist cult'.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 22, 2019 13:28:14 GMT
and yes, it is on the proscribed list
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 13:50:52 GMT
Likewise no one has provided any evidence she has done anything but join an extremist cult. .........................Β Β which has declared war on western civilisation and AFAIK is a proscribed organisation, and of course actually carries its extremist views into violent action on the battlefields, many of which are only occupied by innocent civilians. hardly everyone's idea of 'an extremist cult'. Let's be sensible they have not declared war on western civilisation. Western civilisation decided to join in a fight. You do realise I'm not on her side right. So apart from entering an area she shouldn't of entered without a reasonable excuse. What has SHE done wrong? IF she was radicalised and groomed at 13/14 years old. Can we blame for acting how she has.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 14:02:01 GMT
The whole point is lots of jahidi brides and fighters have returned to England.
Why her? Why now?
Why has the media created such a shitstorm over her? What is so special about her? The basis of many posts here is we should do it as a deterrent, but they shouldn't done that 400 people ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 15:40:33 GMT
Apparently the table tennis balls are delivered by drone. There is a little 4mm plug you take out to get the gear.
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Post by patty on Feb 22, 2019 15:43:16 GMT
I think it's time to break the impunity that people enjoy when setting up others for a life of terrorism. This already exists for preachers of hate, it should be extended to include other influencers, including family. Her father and given a good grilling. If it can be established that he assisted his daughter in her mission, possibly by financing her flight he should be charged with conspiring to commit terrorism and locked up for a long time. This should send out a clear message, it's no longer acceptable to bring up your children to hate your host country, one that will provide for you if you fall on hard times. No longer should family or culture be barriers to authorities weeding out the small percentage of those from different cultures who spoil things for the vast majority, who just want peaceful lives. If they don't like it, tough. Adapt, or leave. has anyone found a reference to her father actually being involved in grooming her? I read 2 different papers last week and both referenced her going to these meetings with her dad at the age of 13...how true it is dunno...and obviously none of us know what goes on in these meetings Guess like other stories there are many variations...however question arises as to who groomed her and I hope investigations are undertaken to discover however much can be of the truth. Cannot remember which papers as I don't buy any just read whats in the coffee shop I am an unreliable source of info....
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 15:54:50 GMT
I cant remember where I saw it either. But it doesn't matter.
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