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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:44:13 GMT
What a truly wonderful yet bizarre city Manchester is.
We walked along Deansgate where hugely expensive cars (including Ferraris) were growling up and down, and well shod men and women were enjoying the 'high end' fashion outlets, wine bars and very expensive restaurants.
Yet on every corner, on both sides of the road, were young men and women surrounded by their worldly possessions, sleeping or begging in doorways.
Some were fortunate enough to have a tent, but most only had sleeping bags and the compulsory carrier bags full of their possessions.
What the hell is going wrong with our world?
Rog
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 9, 2018 8:57:49 GMT
Every time I do the Liverpool Dock trip i see more homeless on the streets than the last time, Dunno where its all going wrong?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 9, 2018 9:22:41 GMT
Leeds was full of beggars. Some even asked me for money! I suppose it gives their day more colour, meeting people, better than just staying all day laying on the sofa in their house watching TV. Funny how they are always in city centres, targetting the busiest streets. Walk half a mile away and suddenly no homeless or beggars!
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Post by phil70 on Apr 9, 2018 10:21:01 GMT
Rather cynical view of the problem Foxy. Of course the beggars will be after honey pot spots with the most opportunity to get a bob or two. Only sonebody totally brain dead would go begging where there is no footfall. Phil
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 10:28:41 GMT
Think foxy is implying they are not homeless, i think there is an element of this out there, reports in my local town of people going to bank their takings and climbing into cars at the end of the day.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 9, 2018 11:16:44 GMT
Rather cynical view of the problem Foxy. Of course the beggars will be after honey pot spots with the most opportunity to get a bob or two. Only sonebody totally brain dead would go begging where there is no footfall. Phil Why don't they go begging at the steps of the Town Hall, if they are 'homeless'. I am sympathetic towards people genuinely down and out, but I do strongly suspect that there is a large dollop of whiffyness about this 'begging'.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 9, 2018 11:35:23 GMT
You have to be careful wherever you go professional begging is rife! Paul a neighbour is a bus driver, he saw a guy begging in Sheffield, that night he dropped him off at his house in a better area, curious he inquired with other drivers turns out one knows him, and told him the house was his and he had been begging for the last twenty years! also he was well off but didnt like work.......................Now I know people who are homeless through no fault of their own but dont beg so these scumbags that do it for a living want outing
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 12:39:09 GMT
Yes, let's say they're not really homeless. That way we can pretend everything is wonderful The smell of some of the poor sods is appalling. Rog
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Post by bargemast on Apr 9, 2018 12:56:26 GMT
It's absolutely terrible to be really homeless, and I do feel very sorry for the people that have to survive without a home, or a place where they can safely shelter if it's raining and/or bitterly cold, even more so if they are a homeless family.
The way the economics are going, it's not always their own fault, the business or factory that used to employ them may have closed down, they're not all alcoholics or drug addicts, some (most) are genuine people that ended up in this bad and sad situation.
There are however also lots of abusers, that rely on the good heart of other people to supply them with an easy extra income, like a few that you can see in this disgusting video :
Peter.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 9, 2018 14:36:06 GMT
The smell of some of the poor sods is appalling. At Leeds, fortunately, there is a canal and the River Aire in which they can be washed. Why give money, when a bar of soap is the answer?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 15:44:15 GMT
Don't you live in Finland?
Perhaps pretending they're all scroungers who actually live in superb homes makes one sleep better.
I'm sure that's the answer I'd get on CWDF, but I expected better from here.
There will always be those that seek to 'work the system'.
People will always find a way to let you down.
But some of the poor scruffy sods are pitiful.
There's got to be a better way hasn't there?
Rog
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 9, 2018 17:05:22 GMT
Don't you live in Finland? Perhaps pretending they're all scroungers who actually live in superb homes makes one sleep better. I'm sure that's the answer I'd get on CWDF, but I expected better from here. There will always be those that seek to 'work the system'. People will always find a way to let you down. But some of the poor scruffy sods are pitiful. There's got to be a better way hasn't there? Rog Yes, stop allowing our taxes to prop up low wages at profitable businesses and spend it helping people. What a con on all of us this situation is. Taxes going straight to dividend payments of those who already have enough money to live and spare money to own shares. If the profits of these companies was fairly earned that would be one thing, but it's not, it's coming from taxes.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 9, 2018 17:47:00 GMT
I agree with lollygagger's post above. The private railway companies are an example of this, providing so very little for vast rewards, and they can never go wrong as the Government always bails them out. There's no lack of money in Britain, you see it being squandered every hour of every day. There's no excuse for people being homeless (apart from those few who really want to live like that).
I just don't like being pestered by those who seem (to me) to be obviously rogues. I don't see why, if you are homeless, you have to sit in a tatty sleeping bag with a dog beside you. Or put a tent up in an alleyway right in the centre of Leeds, and be laying in it at 1.15pm. Why don't they go and camp in the Town Hall if there are no council flats available? Let the councillors have it, not the general public.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 18:12:50 GMT
Why don't they go and camp in the Town Hall if there are no council flats available? Let the councillors have it, not the general public. They would get moved on pronto, or maybe they see authorities as part of why they are homeless and don't want to get into any further trouble.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 9, 2018 18:26:47 GMT
Why don't they go and camp in the Town Hall if there are no council flats available? Let the councillors have it, not the general public. They would get moved on pronto, or maybe they see authorities as part of why they are homeless and don't want to get into any further trouble. Well, this is the thing - the public should be outside the Town Hall with the gibbet ready for the councillors who tell the homeless to bugger off, and not go until they are housed properly. Instead of homelessness being a vague problem, we need to zoom in and spot exactly where the problem is, and name names, and shame the corrupt councillors and local scumbag politicians. Right to the root of the problem and deal with it straight away. Isn't it about time the 'Royal Family' got off their arses and made sure everyone in Britain was comfortably housed? Or how about turfing that lot of scroungers out on their ear, and handing Buck Palace and Windsor Castle to the homeless?
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