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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2018 8:04:30 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 19, 2018 8:20:00 GMT
172 boats for each mile, and 2000 miles = over a third of a million boats on CRT waters. That can’t be right, surely?
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Post by thebfg on Jul 19, 2018 8:22:37 GMT
it must be 17.2 surely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 8:28:37 GMT
Thing is why should the tax payers foot the bill for our boating pleasures, joe blogs never goes near the river, has no interest in the river yet his taxes go towards keeping it open for navigation for boaters...
Would i pay more for my boat on the system, yes, but only to a point, trigger points will come, hard up boaters will get hit first, then the like of myself who does not live on the boat at the minute but can afford to use it as a pleasure thing.
Think of it this way, a cheap house to rent in the hawkesbury junction area is £600-£700/month, i pay around £230/month to have by boat on the cut, moored offside, its not that bad really.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 19, 2018 8:32:17 GMT
So if that basic and obvious fact is wrong (and it’s repeated with the EA figures) how can we have any confidence in the accuracy of the rest of the article?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 19, 2018 8:34:33 GMT
Thing is why should the tax payers foot the bill for our boating pleasures, joe blogs never goes near the river, has no interest in the river yet his taxes go towards keeping it open for navigation for boaters... Would i pay more for my boat on the system, yes, but only to a point, trigger points will come, hard up boaters will get hit first, then the like of myself who does not live on the boat at the minute but can afford to use it as a pleasure thing. Think of it this way, a cheap house to rent in the hawkesbury junction area is £600-£700/month, i pay around £230/month to have by boat on the cut, moored offside, its not that bad really. You cannot rent a boat in the hawkesbury area for £700 a month. You are only considering the licence fee and have omitted to consider that you have already bought the “house” outright. It would be like owning the house leasehold, and having to pay £230 a month to the freeholder. Not a great deal.
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2018 8:43:03 GMT
Thing is why should the tax payers foot the bill for our boating pleasures, joe blogs never goes near the river, has no interest in the river yet his taxes go towards keeping it open for navigation for boaters... Would i pay more for my boat on the system, yes, but only to a point, trigger points will come, hard up boaters will get hit first, then the like of myself who does not live on the boat at the minute but can afford to use it as a pleasure thing. Think of it this way, a cheap house to rent in the hawkesbury junction area is £600-£700/month, i pay around £230/month to have by boat on the cut, moored offside, its not that bad really. Why should I pay for roads then, or for schools or any of the services I don't use that I pay into?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 19, 2018 8:50:28 GMT
Thing is why should the tax payers foot the bill for our boating pleasures, joe blogs never goes near the river, has no interest in the river yet his taxes go towards keeping it open for navigation for boaters... Would i pay more for my boat on the system, yes, but only to a point, trigger points will come, hard up boaters will get hit first, then the like of myself who does not live on the boat at the minute but can afford to use it as a pleasure thing. Think of it this way, a cheap house to rent in the hawkesbury junction area is £600-£700/month, i pay around £230/month to have by boat on the cut, moored offside, its not that bad really. Why should I pay for roads then, or for schools or any of the services I don't use that I pay into? Do you pay council tax? If not (and if you are a CCer then I don’t think you can) then you don’t pay for schools, nor for local roads, nor for a whole raft of other stuff run by local councils. You may not use trunk roads directly yourself but the food and other stuff is transported to your local shops using them and without them you would only have locally-grown food which would be a bit thin on the ground especially in a city.
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2018 8:51:55 GMT
Why should I pay for roads then, or for schools or any of the services I don't use that I pay into? Do you pay council tax? If not (and if you are a CCer then I don’t think you can) then you don’t pay for schools, nor for local roads, nor for a whole raft of other stuff run by local councils. You may not use trunk roads directly yourself but the food and other stuff is transported to your local shops using them and without them you would only have locally-grown food which would be a bit thin on the ground especially in a city. Your being very presumptuous again. Also not factually correct, as not all of the local services are paid for out of council tax. Councils get money from central government, admittedly not as much as they used to. But not all of the money spent locally comes from the locality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:00:29 GMT
Thing is why should the tax payers foot the bill for our boating pleasures, joe blogs never goes near the river, has no interest in the river yet his taxes go towards keeping it open for navigation for boaters... Would i pay more for my boat on the system, yes, but only to a point, trigger points will come, hard up boaters will get hit first, then the like of myself who does not live on the boat at the minute but can afford to use it as a pleasure thing. Think of it this way, a cheap house to rent in the hawkesbury junction area is £600-£700/month, i pay around £230/month to have by boat on the cut, moored offside, its not that bad really. Why should I pay for roads then, or for schools or any of the services I don't use that I pay into? So you never go onto a road, ever?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:01:50 GMT
Thing is why should the tax payers foot the bill for our boating pleasures, joe blogs never goes near the river, has no interest in the river yet his taxes go towards keeping it open for navigation for boaters... Would i pay more for my boat on the system, yes, but only to a point, trigger points will come, hard up boaters will get hit first, then the like of myself who does not live on the boat at the minute but can afford to use it as a pleasure thing. Think of it this way, a cheap house to rent in the hawkesbury junction area is £600-£700/month, i pay around £230/month to have by boat on the cut, moored offside, its not that bad really. You cannot rent a boat in the hawkesbury area for £700 a month. You are only considering the licence fee and have omitted to consider that you have already bought the “house” outright. It would be like owning the house leasehold, and having to pay £230 a month to the freeholder. Not a great deal. Boat was free, kind of..
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Post by kris on Jul 19, 2018 9:03:24 GMT
Why should I pay for roads then, or for schools or any of the services I don't use that I pay into? So you never go onto a road, ever? Very rarely, but I'm quite happy for the maintenance of them to decline, so that they become un-paved tracks. The point is it's the same argument as you put forward. So explain to me the difference. Why should I pay for services that I don't use?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:06:44 GMT
The Navigation budget has been squeezed for years, EA Boaters have had above inflation increases in licence costs for years.
The article comes under the heading 'tell us something we don't know!'
Pound for pound it is still tremendous value compared to say being held captive in a static caravan on the east coast.
It makes the Broads tolls look good value, but, as ever the devil is in the detail, £50 extra a year to keep our boat on our river or move it to the Broads and spend that on fuel every weekend we travel there - and thats before you factor things like time travelling there and wear and tear on the car.
I've said it before though, non boaters think as a boater you must be loaded, sympathy comes between shit and syphilis in the dictionary and is likely to be in short supply from anyone!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:13:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 9:16:23 GMT
So you never go onto a road, ever? Very rarely, but I'm quite happy for the maintenance of them to decline, so that they become un-paved tracks. The point is it's the same argument as you put forward. So explain to me the difference. Why should I pay for services that I don't use? You see what you said there, same for joe blogs on the river then. Ideal world you pay for the river upkeep and screw what you dont use, joe pays for roads and schools and screw the stuff he doesnt use, never gonna happen though is it.
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