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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 19:07:32 GMT
Thing is why should the tax payers foot the bill for our boating pleasures, joe blogs never goes near the river, has no interest in the river yet his taxes go towards keeping it open for navigation for boaters... Would i pay more for my boat on the system, yes, but only to a point, trigger points will come, hard up boaters will get hit first, then the like of myself who does not live on the boat at the minute but can afford to use it as a pleasure thing. Think of it this way, a cheap house to rent in the hawkesbury junction area is £600-£700/month, i pay around £230/month to have by boat on the cut, moored offside, its not that bad really. Taxpayers in East Anglia should help foot the bill, or at least all those with houses built on flood plains, of which there are many. The waterways infrastructure is as much to do with flood and levels management as it is about navigation. I also think the E.A need to be far more proactive in collecting licence fees from all the tossers that don't think it applies to them, there are an awful lot round our way. The EA have had a big purge on the Lark and Brandon Creek, the two Narrow boats at Judes Ferry have notices for being unlicensed attached to them, as have scores of other boats in both rivers, a few on the Ten Mile Bank have been served notice too. I was a bit shocked at how many unlicensed boats had been nabbed this year, makes a change! |
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Post by larkboy on Jul 19, 2018 19:22:21 GMT
Taxpayers in East Anglia should help foot the bill, or at least all those with houses built on flood plains, of which there are many. The waterways infrastructure is as much to do with flood and levels management as it is about navigation. I also think the E.A need to be far more proactive in collecting licence fees from all the tossers that don't think it applies to them, there are an awful lot round our way. The EA have had a big purge on the Lark and Brandon Creek, the two Narrow boats at Judes Ferry have notices for being unlicensed attached to them, as have scores of other boats in both rivers, a few on the Ten Mile Bank have been served notice too. I was a bit shocked at how many unlicensed boats had been nabbed this year, makes a change! I agree they've been out issuing tickets, but some of the boats ticketed were done 3 months ago and are still in the water and still with no current licence. Mind you, I think it's piss poor that our marina, and others, tolerate unlicensed boats, as the fuckers probably have no insurance or boat safety either. |
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Post by erivers on Jul 19, 2018 20:18:34 GMT
Thanks for posting the EAWA links, Gazza. However, I must point out that the first document - "EA propose to squeeze boaters on their rivers" was not produced by EAWA but copied to us from the Barge Association. We are grateful to John Booker of the Barge Association (DBA) for his work on this. We do fully agree with the sentiments expressed, in particular the EA's deceit in reneging on last year's promise to consult extensively this summer on a new 5-year charging regime. EA Anglian region boaters already pay more than on any other waterway and with the annual 7.5% increase now extended to a second and third year (making a 24% cumulative increase) the differentials will become even greater. What possible justification can there be for charging much more than the Thames where the level of service is so much greater? In Anglian region and probably as a throwback from work done on the transfer to C&RT the EA is now claiming that the river weirs and sluices have no function except for navigation and must in future be funded from the navigation budget. This is nonsense. Most of the more recent weirs and sluices on the Great Ouse were provided either for land drainage (to prevent flooding) under the Land Drainage Acts or for water gauging purposes under the Water Resources Act 1963 to secure water supplies. More smoke and mirrors from the EA or just plain ignorance about the waterways they control? You decide. |
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Post by zigspider on Jul 19, 2018 21:20:24 GMT
Taxpayers in East Anglia should help foot the bill, or at least all those with houses built on flood plains, of which there are many. The waterways infrastructure is as much to do with flood and levels management as it is about navigation. I also think the E.A need to be far more proactive in collecting licence fees from all the tossers that don't think it applies to them, there are an awful lot round our way. The EA have had a big purge on the Lark and Brandon Creek, the two Narrow boats at Judes Ferry have notices for being unlicensed attached to them, as have scores of other boats in both rivers, a few on the Ten Mile Bank have been served notice too. I was a bit shocked at how many unlicensed boats had been nabbed this year, makes a change! There was a license inspection here ( Blackthorn lake ) a week or so ago, and a rough count shows 5 narrowboats and at least 15 cruisers with enforcement tags on them. Waiting to see if anything is actually done about them. Jerry |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 4:40:04 GMT
It takes time to drag them through court.
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Post by kris on Jul 20, 2018 6:59:45 GMT
I'd check that it's not liscened before you blow your top about it, lots of people don't show I liscence disc now they have to print them out. As for getting a six month limited liscenc for overstaying an hour, even cart aren't that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 7:10:14 GMT
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Post by kris on Jul 20, 2018 7:46:17 GMT
That's the page for snooping busy bodies then. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 7:53:56 GMT
Yes it is a legal requirement under the European convention for nosy bastards' rights.
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Post by kris on Jul 20, 2018 7:55:41 GMT
Yes it is a legal requirement under the European convention for nosy bastards' rights. I might start reporting all the cart work boats I see moored on lock landings etc. |
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Post by kris on Jul 20, 2018 7:57:12 GMT
Who wants to do a check? Shall I look at the number? Your not going to be able to resist. |
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Post by kris on Jul 20, 2018 8:21:34 GMT
"This boat is licensed. The owner might have forgotten to display it." Forgotten? For 4 years? See I told you, you wouldn't be able to resist. Cart where telling people that they didn't have to display a liscence. I think they have changed their tune now but it has led to some confusion. The only people who hassled me when not displaying a liscence where the volunteer lockies on the Trent. I had one right officious jobs worth have ago at me. When I told him he should ring the liscencing dept if he thought the boat wasn't liscenced and that I was quite happy to stay in the lock until,he had done this he changed his tune. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 8:25:44 GMT
"This boat is licensed. The owner might have forgotten to display it." Forgotten? For 4 years? Are you trying to make laziness a crime under the T & Cs now! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 8:52:57 GMT
The way I look at it the only people who need to know if I am licensed are CRT. Its a legal requirement to hold a license (PBC whatever its called) so I hold one. I display original BW index number when on crt waterways. When on EA water the boats name is used as an identifier. On one of the fleet I put the name on the life rings which hang on each side of the cabin. On the other side of the liferings I have a joke name "MY NIGHTMARE" which I occasionally use to have a giggle with the public or confuse district enforcement officers on the Thames. Just turn the lifering other way round on the bank side for a giggle - proper name displayed other side for the EA to see (those who I pay for the right to be on the River).
In this modern age we live in any official person checking boats will have an electronic device which can tell the boat is licensed, had been BS approved and owner has declared valid insurance. A piece of paper in a window makes no difference to that as it is too easy to forge.
If one is to put paper licenses in the window it should be an item printed by CRT with a horrorgram on it or similar awkward-to-forge item.
Eventually it will be contactless RFID I guess.
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Post by erivers on Jul 20, 2018 9:45:53 GMT
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