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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 10:25:23 GMT
We stopped in Atherstone in February this year. Just moored up there again, and there are signs indicating 48 hrs and no return in 7 days (the moorings 5 locks down from the top). Sure these signs weren't up in February, and I thought these were 7 day moorings. Does anyone know if the restriction has been changed please, and secondly, where do C&RT pluck the 'no return' policy from. I suspect the mooring restrictions of any period less than 14 days are questionable, but this none return business seems without ryhme nor reason. Just a query out of interest, as we'll only be here one night.....mind you the sign makes me want to stay longer for the hell of it Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 10:37:36 GMT
They are new signs, not moored there for about two years, but all the signs had vanished as you could see where they were on posts, i moored there for two weeks with no problem.
TBH its a pain mooring there i find as the level goes up and down all day long, the boat keeps shifting about no matter how much you adjust.
Its the same at the top of the locks, i recall signs saying 2 days, then they vanished, be interesting to know if they have also appeared again?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 1, 2018 10:55:22 GMT
We stopped in Atherstone in February this year. Just moored up there again, and there are signs indicating 48 hrs and no return in 7 days (the moorings 5 locks down from the top). Sure these signs weren't up in February, and I thought these were 7 day moorings. Does anyone know if the restriction has been changed please, and secondly, where do C&RT pluck the 'no return' policy from. I suspect the mooring restrictions of any period less than 14 days are questionable, but this none return business seems without ryhme nor reason. Just a query out of interest, as we'll only be here one night.....mind you the sign makes me want to stay longer for the hell of it Rog “No return” signs may have questionable legality but they are a necessity due to pisstakers. There’s no point in having a 7day sign or whatever, if someone can moor for 7 days, cruise up to the lock and then reverse back for another 7 days and repeat ad infinitum. Anyway, why would you want to moor there for long periods? Noisy trains, a gloomy stretch and levels changing. So much nicer either at the bottom or beyond the top into country.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 10:59:39 GMT
Heading out to the Anchor at hartshill on Saturday, taking the mother in law for her yearlyy outing, ill keep an eye out in case you are moving that way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 12:19:12 GMT
Probably moving today as laundry and shopping is now done.
Won't 'pisstakers' as you poetically call them, merely ignore all signage? Isn't that their raison d'etre?
It appears to me that everytime C&RT decide to put new signs up they 'pinch another inch', for example the no return condition here they've plucked from thin air.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 1, 2018 12:30:36 GMT
Probably moving today as laundry and shopping is now done. Won't 'pisstakers' as you poetically call them, merely ignore all signage? Isn't that their raison d'etre? It appears to me that everytime C&RT decide to put new signs up they 'pinch another inch', for example the no return condition here they've plucked from thin air. Rog They are not doing it for their benefit, they are doing it for the benefit of people who want to cruise the system and hopefully find visitor moorings free. I have nothing against people who want to moor for 14 days but it is unreasonable to expect to be able to do so in a “prime” location near shopping, pubs etc. There are hundreds, probably thousands of miles of towpath moooring that is 14 days. If you want stay in one place for two weeks, go there. Don’t go to the places where people want to stop overnight for shopping, pub food etc. It’s all about sharing nicely and unfortunately some people have to be forced to share nicely. There are plenty of other places with “no return” policies. There would be no need to contemplate such things were it not for people abusing the visitor moorings by lingering there and justifying it by an occasional trip to the winding point and back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 16:31:52 GMT
You don't have a very high opinion of other boaters, do you?
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 1, 2018 17:15:34 GMT
You don't have a very high opinion of other boaters, do you? Rog This seems an irrational comment. Other boaters are just like other people. Most are kind, friendly, courteous. Some are rude, selfish aresholes. Unfortunately just like laws of the land, the rules of the cut have to be set to cater for the latter group even though they are a minority. Anyone who thinks that boaters are some homogenous group of like minded people, is naive and, frankly, quite foolish. Just because I support the fact that murder is a crime and there are laws against it, doesn’t mean that I “don’t have a very high opinion of other humans”.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 17:31:27 GMT
My view is that people who kill others are piss takers. They are quite an extreme type of piss taker but piss takers come in all shapes and sizes from the most harmless type who would walk on the inside of a pavement when passing children or old feckers through the classical overstaying boat owners who are purely saving mooring fee money to those piss takers who kidnap, torture and violently murder people and leave their dismembered bodies in plastic bags.
There are piss takers in all walks of life. All laws and regulations will be based around them as telly matchus said.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 19:04:21 GMT
I was enquiring if the restrictions in Atherstone were new.
From that you gave me your view on other boaters.
Just seemed a leap.
And those who ignore regulation, will continue to do so whatever signs are put up don't you think.
Not entirely sure where murder fits in so I'll skip that.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 1, 2018 19:21:23 GMT
I was enquiring if the restrictions in Atherstone were new. From that you gave me your view on other boaters. Just seemed a leap. And those who ignore regulation, will continue to do so whatever signs are put up don't you think. Not entirely sure where murder fits in so I'll skip that. Rog Are you getting quite old and forgetful? An old wreck of Thunderboat perhaps? Just wondering because in your OP you said “... but this none return business seems without ryhme nor reason.” When I went on to explain the rhyme and reason you found that inexplicable and a non-sequitur. Which is odd.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 1, 2018 19:28:58 GMT
Anyhow, a 48 hour mooring means you can stay for just under four days if you time it right.
Or, as CRT themselves explain it... "* Recorded stay time: is measured by the number of daily sightings between the first and latest sighting. A boat recorded on two consecutive days will be treated as having stayed for 24 hours. A boat recorded on three consecutive days will be treated as having stayed for 48 hours."
So as long as you bugger off before they come round on the fourth day, you're good to go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 19:34:02 GMT
Probably moving today as laundry and shopping is now done. Won't 'pisstakers' as you poetically call them, merely ignore all signage? Isn't that their raison d'etre? It appears to me that everytime C&RT decide to put new signs up they 'pinch another inch', for example the no return condition here they've plucked from thin air. Rog I think there are two valid points there. Restrictive signage is unlikely to put off piss takers but they do have a knock on effect on the 95% of boaters who are consciencious. A good example of this is the effect it’s had on Stoke Bruerne. Although I doubt CRT wouild ever charge the £25 per night overstay penalty/ fine/fee, people are reluctant to moor there just in case they have an emergency and need to leave their boat there. In fact it’s more than that, these signs promote an aggressive stance to what should be a chilled out pastime. The other point is that over time these restrictions will be accepted as the ‘norm’ simply because they have been there for years, (regardless of not being supported by law). Once this happens, it becomes easier for CRT to write it into law. It’s called creep. So it’s good to challenge these signs really
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 19:36:52 GMT
The no return in 7 days also means that the 'enforcers' only need to visit the area once a week to ensure they catch the pisstakers...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 19:38:33 GMT
Anyhow, a 48 hour mooring means you can stay for just under four days if you time it right. Or, as CRT themselves explain it... "* Recorded stay time: is measured by the number of daily sightings between the first and latest sighting. A boat recorded on two consecutive days will be treated as having stayed for 24 hours. A boat recorded on three consecutive days will be treated as having stayed for 48 hours." So as long as you bugger off before they come round on the fourth day, you're good to go. Actually, unless someone can show me otherwise, the law says 14 days still. The 48h signs are also a CRT/BW invention which nobody has successfully challenged. Having said that, I do agree that we should share honeypot moorings nicely. So even I’d admit they are a good idea when used sensibly. Sadly, that is not always the case.
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