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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 10, 2018 15:30:52 GMT
I might be a bit radical, but I. Think it's about time people came before corporate profits. Mustn't be afwaid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 15:43:14 GMT
Yes agreed but how do you sort that ? People with influence generally have money and want more. Human nature. Anyway this is what is coming up. I would expect that the current marina site will simply be left as open water not accessible but perhaps with some leisure pursuits and clubs etc. www.abp-london.co.uk/royal-albert-dock/masterplan/I think they need an extra entry in the "timeline". October 2018. Boot out established boatyard facility.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 15:46:09 GMT
Wasn't the guy who had Archimedes and Ara in prison, I wonder if he still is? The man who operated the boats went to prison for rape as I recall. But I believe he wasn't the owner. I understood the pair were up for sale, but it's been a while since I heard any update. Rog I think they will be leaving the marina by road. Don't know how long people are being given to get stuff shifted but this might be a nice early Christmas present for some boat movers.
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Post by kris on Oct 10, 2018 15:48:08 GMT
Yes agreed but how do you sort that That I'm not. Sure of. Non violent direct action I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 15:49:02 GMT
Yes. Hanging is too good for them.
What about educating youngsters to understand that "success" is not necessarily about how much money you are able to squeeze out of others.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 10, 2018 16:01:24 GMT
I think the bit that sticks in many peoples craw is that a boatyard/marina for mostly "ordinary" people is being destroyed to make way for development that includes
.................. a flashy marina owned by a Chinese consortium for those who can afford enormous gin palaces
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Post by JohnV on Oct 10, 2018 16:03:48 GMT
and I should add in spite of promises by the GLC et al to improve and increase the places for boating in London ...... presumably only if you are stinking rich.
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Post by kris on Oct 10, 2018 16:07:54 GMT
Yes. Hanging is too good for them. What about educating youngsters to understand that "success" is not necessarily about how much money you are able to squeeze out of others. Because of the faceless corporate entities it's difficult to stop it by hanging individuals, there's always another clone in the pipeline ready to take their place. Education is probably the best solution, as at the root of all of these structures are memes.
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Post by kris on Oct 10, 2018 16:11:33 GMT
I think the bit that sticks in many peoples craw is that a boatyard/marina for mostly "ordinary" people is being destroyed to make way for development that includes .................. a flashy marina owned by a Chinese consortium for those who can afford enormous gin palaces The places aren't getting replaced so it's getting harder and harder for average people have boats. Within a generation the way we live on boats now will be gone. Oh well best enjoy it then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 16:27:50 GMT
Its right under the end of the runway at the airport. Super noisy. I think its going to end up empty. The idea of a superyacht marina may just have been a way to facilitate planning.
I can't see someone with good money wanting to be on a boat there. Takeoffs are every ten minutes its a nightmare noise-wise. Horrid.
Its true that it is erosion of the average boat owner's service and storage network. That is true indeed and sad.
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Post by kris on Oct 10, 2018 16:33:26 GMT
Its right under the end of the runway at the airport. Super noisy. I think its going to end up empty. The idea of a superyacht marina may just have been a way to facilitate planning. I can't see someone with good money wanting to be on a boat there. Takeoffs are every ten minutes its a nightmare noise-wise. Horrid. Its true that it is erosion of the average boat owner's service and storage network. That is true indeed and sad. Pardon?
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 10, 2018 17:07:48 GMT
I think the bit that sticks in many peoples craw is that a boatyard/marina for mostly "ordinary" people is being destroyed to make way for development that includes .................. a flashy marina owned by a Chinese consortium for those who can afford enormous gin palaces Spot on, exactly what I was thinking. Those fake 'communists'. Phhhttttt!
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 10, 2018 22:48:06 GMT
I think Nigel was involved in that case. I wonder what the outcome will be. There are some big plans for that area so I somehow doubt the boatyard will survive. My involvement was purely by way of moral support, with attendance at Bow County Court; Leigh-Jayne had excellent professional assistance from concerned lawyers, but the bottom line, legally, is that the site owner – the GLA - has the right to end the lease. It is, however, a despicable example of Sadiq Khan acting directly contrary to City Hall’s own long published planning policies regarding protection and improvement of boatyards and boating facilities. This saga has been rumbling for two years now – I posted on this topic on CWDF back in 2016, which has much of the background for those interested, including contributions from Leigh-Jayne herself – www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/88312-gla-suing-to-evict-london-marina/ Or for those disinclined to venture there – thunderboat.boards.net/thread/942/greater-london-assembly-evict-marina Somewhere I must have a copy of the GLA's 2007 Hendry Report: “Assessment of Boatyard Facilities on the River Thames”, which included Gallions Reach marina as a facility to be specifically protected under the terms of the BRN policies of the London Plan, but I cannot find it. Strangely, the link to the report that existed on City Hall’s website no longer works.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 10, 2018 22:55:30 GMT
Policy 7.27 Blue Ribbon Network: supporting infrastructure ...
Policy
Planning decisions
A Development proposals should enhance the use of the Blue Ribbon Network, in particular proposals:
a that result in the loss of existing facilities for waterborne sport and leisure should be refused, unless suitable replacement facilities are provided
b should protect and improve existing access points to (including from land into water such as slipways and steps) or alongside the Blue Ribbon Network (including paths). New access infrastructure into and alongside the Blue Ribbon Network will be sought.
c should protect and enhance waterway support infrastructure such as boatyards, moorings, jetties and safety equipment etc. New infrastructure to support water dependent uses will be sought. New mooring facilities should normally be off line from main navigation routes, ie in basins or docks.
LDF preparation
B Within LDFs boroughs should identify the location of waterway facilities and any opportunities for enhancing or extending facilities, especially within opportunity areas and other areas where a particular need has been identified.
Supporting text
7.80 In order to make the maximum use of the Blue Ribbon Network, particularly for effective transport, a range of supporting infrastructure is required. The infrastructure includes, but is not limited to; boatyards, jetties, moorings, slipways, steps and water side paths/cycleways. Their need and provision should be assessed by local authorities.
7.81 The Mayor commissioned research in 2007 to investigate the provision of boatyards in London[1]. From this it is clear that there is a particular shortage of boatyard facilities that are capable of inspecting, maintaining and repairing the larger passenger craft on the Thames. One of the actions in the Implementation Plan (see Chapter 8) will be to promote such a new facility.
7.82 Similarly, the historic steps and slipways to the Thames foreshore are often overlooked, neglected or even removed. These facilities are vital for enabling access to the Thames foreshore given the huge tidal range of the river and the Mayor wishes to see these facilities retained, improved and where disused, brought back into use.
7.83 The promotion of the use of the Blue Ribbon Network for leisure facilities is an important objective. Water provides opportunities for particular types of leisure and sporting activities such as rowing, canoeing and sailing. Water-based sport and recreation should be prioritized and facilities that enable or enhance these activities should be supported.
7.84 The range of permanently moored vessels, for example residential barges, restaurants, bars and offices can add to the diversity and vibrancy of waterways and London in general. However, their siting needs careful consideration so that the navigation, hydrology and biodiversity of the waterways are not compromised. Consents for and the use of new moorings should be managed in a way that respects the character of the waterways and the needs of its users. The BRN should not be used as an extension of the developable land in London nor should parts of it be a continuous line of moored craft.
[1] Adams Hendry. Assessment of Boatyard Facilities on the River Thames. GLA, April 2007
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Post by patty on Oct 11, 2018 5:15:02 GMT
Thanks Nigel for posting that info..
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