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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 15:35:32 GMT
11 years ago?
Time flies !!
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2018 15:43:18 GMT
Has anyone contacted City Hall to say Sadiq Khan has 'gone rogue'? Has anyone contacted Khan to let him know he's acting against the wishes of Londoners? Well, Londoners voted for him - sometimes you get what you ask for. I have, and know of others who have done so. Total waste of time. Getting what you ask for is true up to a point - but you can only go by the spiel fed you at the time, and once voted in, you are helpless to change things until next election - when it is all too late. He is a very slippery and incautiously obvious dictator; I recently spent a day at City Hall as a representative of a local community group, giving evidence in support of Hounslow's decision to reject an over-bearing residential development (he had exercised his power to call in such planning applications), and that was an eye opener into how rigidly focussed he is on getting his own way and over-riding local authorities. The only recourse would have been Judicial Review and/or appeal to the Secretary of State. Even Councils are reluctant to chance their pockets by indulging in such action.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2018 15:56:01 GMT
Jericho, in Oxford, was cleared out eleven years ago, with all the strife that created. The development has still NOT begun. Rog True of my own boatyard in Brentford, long since overgrown with Japanese knotweed and the like, and schedules for commencement of work being delayed year by year.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 11, 2018 15:56:46 GMT
I suppose I'll just have to slap this up then
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 16:05:01 GMT
Has anyone contacted City Hall to say Sadiq Khan has 'gone rogue'? Has anyone contacted Khan to let him know he's acting against the wishes of Londoners? Well, Londoners voted for him - sometimes you get what you ask for. I have, and know of others who have done so. Total waste of time. Getting what you ask for is true up to a point - but you can only go by the spiel fed you at the time, and once voted in, you are helpless to change things until next election - when it is all too late. He is a very slippery and incautiously obvious dictator; I recently spent a day at City Hall as a representative of a local community group, giving evidence in support of Hounslow's decision to reject an over-bearing residential development (he had exercised his power to call in such planning applications), and that was an eye opener into how rigidly focussed he is on getting his own way and over-riding local authorities. The only recourse would have been Judicial Review and/or appeal to the Secretary of State. Even Councils are reluctant to chance their pockets by indulging in such action. I noticed the other day that the clearing of Watermans park "gas works" moorings in Brentford has begun in earnest. Seems quite a lot of the abandoned boats have been removed. Probably sensible as they posed a risk to vessels moored nearby if and when the ropes parted and a boat drifted along on the tide. That's another place where there are fancy plans for moorings but I'm sure it will remain empty once cleared.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 16:09:35 GMT
Jericho, in Oxford, was cleared out eleven years ago, with all the strife that created. The development has still NOT begun. Rog True of my own boatyard in Brentford, long since overgrown with Japanese knotweed and the like, and schedules for commencement of work being delayed year by year. Also noticed opposite Morrison's some demolition work has started so it seems the "regeneration" is underway.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2018 16:12:43 GMT
Jericho, in Oxford, was cleared out eleven years ago, with all the strife that created. That fiasco was driven by BW, who had already by then laid out plans for converting boatyard sites into residential development, and who fended off all criticism with sprious nonsense about the value the increased revenue would add to the waterways. I have relayed this before, but the classic insular intransigence of BW was never more vividly demonstrated than with the cross-examination of their Mr Green (I took part in the first BW appeal supporting the Council's rejection of BW's developer buyer's planning application, so was an incredulous observer). The barrister for Oxford was trying to make the point that BW were not entitled to sell off the 'track' and vital supporting infrastructure such as boatyards; Mr Green responded by saying that BW had determined that the boatyard was unnecessary, so it did NOT form part of protected assets - and internal memo between departments of some years prior was quoted in support. The barrister asked: "Are you saying that an internal memo within British Waterways suffices to overturn an Act of Parliament?" The astonishing reply was "Yes, because the memo was of a later date than the Act." That floored the barrister as much as any of us! He sat back in his chair saying only - "So BW have declared UDI have they?"!!! Thankfully the PINS Inspector was unimpressed, and upheld the Council's decision, but of course the the saga has rumbled on with new buyers and new plans etc, etc.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2018 16:21:32 GMT
I noticed the other day that the clearing of Watermans park "gas works" moorings in Brentford has begun in earnest. Seems quite a lot of the abandoned boats have been removed. Probably sensible as they posed a risk to vessels moored nearby if and when the ropes parted and a boat drifted along on the tide. That's another place where there are fancy plans for moorings but I'm sure it will remain empty once cleared. The boats were secure enough as they were. When they were hurriedly shifted elsewhere, the same did not hold true! www.brentfordtw8.com/default.asp?section=info&page=river017.htm The "fancy plans" for the 'luxurious marina' are absurd; pontoons in a herringbone pattern demanding massive support pillars for when the tide/river flow turns broadside to the boats. All concocted by alleged expert marine engineers. I do think it will go ahead though; the Council are salivating over the returns they see coming from millionaire vessels who could afford the projected mooring fees, plus of course all that extra Council Tax.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 16:26:07 GMT
What about the fact the boats will be sitting in mud half the time? Is there some sort of plan for an impounded basin or dredging or does someone think people want to pay good money for mud berths.
To be fair if one was looking at spending some money and doing a proper job it might be feasible to damn the lower end of the moorings and put some sort of tidal lock gates at the top end.
Or is it a PRN area.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2018 16:29:02 GMT
Also noticed opposite Morrison's some demolition work has started so it seems the "regeneration" is underway. The piecemeal demolition has proceeded with some regularity over the years; they are pretty good at that aspect. Meanwhile rumours abound as to just how much Ballymore are still invested in the site; supposedly Chinese investors have put up finance, and are allegedly good at imposing such conditions as would guarantee failure, and full takeover enabled. The housing market in Brentford is presently parlous, so investors will be acting cautious over commitment to throwing too much at it for awhile. Then too, if they don't make a start soon, the planning consent will run out and a new one will need to be made. Though it just might be that demolition counts as commencement, which could be why they are doing it.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2018 16:36:27 GMT
What about the fact the boats will be sitting in mud half the time? Is there some sort of plan for an impounded basin or dredging or does someone think people want to pay good money for mud berths. To be fair if one was looking at spending some money and doing a proper job it might be feasible to damn the lower end of the moorings and put some sort of tidal lock gates at the top end. Or is it a PRN area. (giggle) No impounded basin, levelling of the bed and possibly a grid system for the boats to rest on is as far as it goes. It will not make much difference to the desirability of the moorings for houseboats - witness the long term appeal of the Chelsea Yact & Boat tidal moorings along the Embankment. Mike Barnes is also doing nicely with his mud-berths around Lot's Ait (yet another wanton destruction of splendid boat maintenance facilities such as slipways and covered dry docks). It IS all, of course, a PRN area, although subject to the effective removal of public access via utilisation of the PLA riverworks licence.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 11, 2018 16:42:39 GMT
Yes, Master. does anyone know if they can take control of the dock water and marina, they say as highlighted but the red line does not go around the marina berths, or am I being niave.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2018 16:43:40 GMT
Destruction of the Lot's Ait drydocks and slipways was an assured outcome of the Council's myopic approval of the footbridge, which I vehemently opposed for the very reason that its only purpose was to ensure desirable dry-shoe access to proposed houseboats, and nothing whatever to do with boatyard needs.
The Council took note of my objections to the point of placing conditions against residential moorings there, but as usual the developer just kept coming back every few years asking for residential permission, which eventually wore them down (and after years of fait-accompli in fact, there seems little point in refusal to grant paper permission for the done deal).
This was yet another of the boatyards listed in the Hendry Report, for all the good that did, as with Gallions.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2018 16:45:07 GMT
does anyone know if they can take control of the dock water and marina, they say as highlighted but the red line does not go around the marina berths, or am I being niave. RoDMA already control the waterspace; they are now authorised to control the land as well. Both the GLA AND RoDMA sued for possession and won, and the GLA appointed RoDMA to run the moorings. It will be 'interesting' to see how many boat owners do contact them by the stipulated date. I can foresee a fair bit of Torts Act action eventuating. But it is saddest for Leigh-Jayne, having grown up with the business since childhood and knowing little else, supporting her father in the business to the detriment of a personal life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 17:08:40 GMT
does anyone know if they can take control of the dock water and marina, they say as highlighted but the red line does not go around the marina berths, or am I being niave. RoDMA already control the waterspace; they are now authorised to control the land as well. Both the GLA AND RoDMA sued for possession and won, and the GLA appointed RoDMA to run the moorings. It will be 'interesting' to see how many boat owners do contact them by the stipulated date. I can foresee a fair bit of Torts Act action eventuating. But it is saddest for Leigh-Jayne, having grown up with the business since childhood and knowing little else, supporting her father in the business to the detriment of a personal life. Yes I think there will be some cheap boats and some scrap about
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