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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 12:08:58 GMT
They have set up to deal with the issue of people generally living on boats. Therese Coffey has been lobbied by the IWA to address what they see as a "problem". The NBTA are actually a bit late for the party, but I'm glad they are getting involved, simply because the likes of NABO and RBOA are as two faced as fuck. people don't seem to realise this is going to effect all livaboard boaters. Or maybe it's just that most people aren't livaboard boaters so think this won't effect them? Well obviously I can see how the ‘London problem’ might extend to the whole country. However, I’m not sure those who legitimately want to live on a boat for the time they wish to explore the system (as per the 1995 act), should get drawn in. When I say, not sure, I mean exactly that. I suppose the very fact they are being secretive means we don’t have all the facts or truly know their intent. If the ultimate intent is take away any possibility of people fulfilling the dream to escape on the canals and waterways, I think they will fail.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 17, 2018 12:22:39 GMT
What do you think is fake about the news? Just teasing kris - based on loddon's: "Old news I'm afraid. Brought about by Alistair Trotman and his Slum Boats on the Thames." I did find Alistair's waffle (as above) somewhat haphazard and peculiar. Can anyone describe what it's all about in a nutshell for me? (meme now deleted, as, in hindsight, probably inappropriate) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Molesey_houseboat - I suppose this is some background info? Of course, all input has to be filtered, and all sides' views taken into consideration.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 17, 2018 12:32:55 GMT
"There'll be no squealing at what's discussed at Secret Meetings!"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 12:51:53 GMT
They have set up to deal with the issue of people generally living on boats. Therese Coffey has been lobbied by the IWA to address what they see as a "problem". The NBTA are actually a bit late for the party, but I'm glad they are getting involved, simply because the likes of NABO and RBOA are as two faced as fuck. people don't seem to realise this is going to effect all livaboard boaters. Or maybe it's just that most people aren't livaboard boaters so think this won't effect them? I'm sure there are lots of boat dwellers who also have land property and could therefore "prove" that they do not live on the boat from council tax records. So is this group set up specifically to deal with people living on boats or will it also deal with people who use boats in such a way that they are able to circumvent the requirement to pay for a mooring. ie bridge hoppers cmers etc. A lot of these people clearly do not live on the boats they are just saving the mooring fee. So what is it about? "liveaboards" who use the boat as a primary and in some cases only residence or "dumpers" or both of the above. And why would it effect people who live on boats on residential morons?
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Post by kris on Nov 17, 2018 13:07:39 GMT
people don't seem to realise this is going to effect all livaboard boaters. Or maybe it's just that most people aren't livaboard boaters so think this won't effect them? I'm sure there are lots of boat dwellers who also have land property and could therefore "prove" that they do not live on the boat from council tax records. So is this group set up specifically to deal with people living on boats or will it also deal with people who use boats in such a way that they are able to circumvent the requirement to pay for a mooring. ie bridge hoppers cmers etc. A lot of these people clearly do not live on the boats they are just saving the mooring fee. So what is it about? "liveaboards" who use the boat as a primary and in some cases only residence or "dumpers" or both of the above. And why would it effect people who live on boats on residential morons? The point is we don't know the exact mandate of this group and defra are refusing to answer foi requests about exactly what "problem" it has been set up to solve. If councils are involved you can bet boat dwellers "evading" council tax is on the agenda. So how will that not effect residential "morons" as you put it?
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Post by NigelMoore on Nov 17, 2018 13:09:32 GMT
What do you think is fake about the news? I did find Alistair's waffle (as above) somewhat haphazard and peculiar. Can anyone describe what it's all about in a nutshell for me? Alistair runs a very flexible business model that allows the impecunious a chance to earn their own board and pocket money, by way of acting as managers/maintenance staff for his accommodation barges, wherein rooms are rented to those who would rather just pay the (relatively) low rents for minimalist accommodation. The experience is also touted as a learning one, in alternative lifestyles; in some respects it is similar to the old moshavim and kibbutzim models.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 13:10:43 GMT
Residential moorings are subject to council tax.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 13:12:43 GMT
I did find Alistair's waffle (as above) somewhat haphazard and peculiar. Can anyone describe what it's all about in a nutshell for me? Alistair runs a very flexible business model that allows the impecunious a chance to earn their own board and pocket money, by way of acting as managers/maintenance staff for his accommodation barges, wherein rooms are rented to those who would rather just pay the (relatively) low rents for minimalist accommodation. The experience is also touted as a learning one, in alternative lifestyles; in some respects it is similar to the old moshavim and kibbutzim models. He's certainly pissed a lot of people off. I think this is partly because the vessels seem to have had their superstructures constructed from the products acquired during extensive skip diving operations If the boats were not so awfully shanty town in appearance I think it would be a different story. Preserving the natural beauty of the River is important to some people. I still think its interesting that nobody has copied his obviously successful business model.
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Post by kris on Nov 17, 2018 13:14:23 GMT
Residential moorings are subject to council tax. Come on we all know official residential moorings are a lot scarcer than the number of people dwelling on boats whilst on a mooring.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 13:17:05 GMT
Residential moorings are subject to council tax. Come on we all know official residential moorings are a lot scarcer than the number of people dwelling on boats whilst on a mooring. True. I used the words residential and moron (mooring) deliberately. Yes people live on what are technically called "Leisure moorings" that's not a residential mooring its a blind eye situation. A lot of these people probably have an address somewhere which is subject to council tax. Some won't but its quite difficult to carry out a normal life with no land address at all.
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Post by kris on Nov 17, 2018 13:19:03 GMT
I think this defra group means the blind eye is about to see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 13:19:11 GMT
I think it would be virtually impossible to "sort the problem" the only way it could be done is as Nigel hinted putting in very restrictive mooring time limits and on the cut that would need new legislation.
Mind you if the person who started it all ends up being a young and virile (giggle) prime minister who knows what happens he might make it into a little personal agenda.
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Post by kris on Nov 17, 2018 13:22:46 GMT
I think it would be virtually impossible to "sort the problem" the only way it could be done is as Nigel hinted putting in very restrictive mooring time limits and on the cut that would need new legislation. Whilst cart can't prepose new legislation, defra can. If it was seen as a collective effort to solve the presumed "problem" then it might succeed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 13:25:56 GMT
Maybe they'll take the easy route and just extract all the water from canals and build cycleways and housing on the land. And make up a little narrow canal 9ft wide.
that should help reduce on line mooring issues.
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Post by kris on Nov 17, 2018 13:27:43 GMT
Maybe they'll take the easy route and just extract all the water from canals and build cycleways and housing on the land. And make up a little narrow canal 9ft wide. that should help reduce on line mooring issues. Are you sure your not a member of this defra group?
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