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Post by kris on Nov 16, 2018 10:42:02 GMT
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Post by Jim on Nov 16, 2018 11:46:37 GMT
Ah! The non travelling bargee travellers who caused the problem in the first place. I see a comment from a genuine traveller also saying this. You are ok Kris, you aren't in a "houseboat" and you move about.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 16, 2018 11:52:11 GMT
I'd report them to South Yorkshire Police's Hate Crime unit, as "appropriate solutions" is a clear euphemism for 'gas chambers'.
Also worth advertising in Luton, Rotherham, Oldham and Birmingham that Walton-on-Thames is a great place to live.
Well done to the NBTA for bringing this to everyone's attention.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 12:32:01 GMT
Do we actually know whether this action group are targeting live aboards (without a home mooring) outside the London area, or are we being dragged into this to make up the numbers?
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Post by Gone on Nov 16, 2018 13:53:50 GMT
I'd report them to South Yorkshire Police's Hate Crime unit, as "appropriate solutions" is a clear euphemism for 'gas chambers'. Also worth advertising in Luton, Rotherham, Oldham and Birmingham that Walton-on-Thames is a great place to live. Well done to the NBTA for bringing this to everyone's attention. But from what I see, it all suggests Theresa Coffee is a bit of a liar. Is she? Only if you are paranoid. How would you describe an intention to solve a problem without unreasonable prejudice to all parties???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 14:47:06 GMT
Old news I'm afraid. Brought about by Alistair Trotman and his Slum Boats on the Thames.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 16, 2018 14:58:50 GMT
Old news I'm afraid. Brought about by Alistair Trotman and his Slum Boats on the Thames. "Well done Alister Trotman I didn't realise he had such a talent for cinema set dressing ! He's managed singlehanded or perhaps with the help of a few friends to turn the Center of Kingston into a film set resembling a third world scene from Miss Saigon let's just hope the EA appreciate all his hard unpaid work as much as I'm sure we all do." "Alister Trotman on the other hand get's people to pay him so they can c**p in his boat and discharge it into the river a couple of hundred metres upstream from a children's watersports centre and a sea scouts centre and a couple or rowing and sailing clubs. This frankly makes me livid - not mildly annoyed. And unlike the herring gulls, Alister Trotman is a human being who is making a deliberate choice to be anti-social and put river users and his 'tennants' at risk through disease and fire resepectively." Read more at www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?484856-Well-done-Alister-Trotman&s=ffb69ba0c5b6ae9743da9b9632fac255#qs7Ss3UZLLvjTkqi.99" The best summer and autumn of your life!! Off grid houseboats in zone 6 SW London, Near Kingston upon Thames, on the oyster card London Travel network. We are a large group 20 plus of young tenants and volunteers. All London's free museums galleries and the glorious royal parks, London's largest within walking distance and of course the glorious tree lined riverside to walk or cycle along. Immediate or delayed start possible. we host volunteers all times of year and normally have about 6 volunteers and many other young clients so plenty of company for as little as one week of many months! After two weeks you can get a part time or full time job also and work for me around those hours or you could become a paying tenant, Longer the better stay of a good worker, many months is possible, one of my volunteers has stayed 5 years lol and now has full time job and is tennant. We will be painting hulls of boats, basic maintenance under supervision of skilled handyman, putting smart new white cladding on barges, doing rubbish and recycling to appropriate disposal points, building website, helping marketing, greeting guests, making up beds after their stay. I buy all food and your own private room or shared with your friend if you want bring a friend, for only 20 hours a week after the first two weeks at 25 hours a week. Or even less depending on your back ground and abilities, we discuss. I also have paid some volunteers for extra hours which is also possible, subject to suitable passport or visa. I buy some beers, wine and occasionally get you a pub meal when we too lazy to cook lol. I can get you into Kew Gardens worlds largest botanic garden for free after a two week stay. www.kew.org as I an annual member Its a great sleep on tranquil river, normally none or little traffic noise, loads of bird life, lots of fun people by riverside summer and autumn, large mature trees hundreds of years old by river. So all things possible, short and long stays, you would find me very flexible, communicative and supportive Regards Alistair (an easygoing kiwi) " hippohelp.com/host/sunny-sustainable-off-grid-houseboats-with-friendly-young-tenants-and-volunteers-seek-extra-help-for-basic-diy-and-general-cleaning-painting"I buy some beers, wine and occasionally get you a pub meal when we too lazy to cook lol." - lol? all sounds a bit iffy to me!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 17:57:40 GMT
I had a word with the lads at the south Oxfordshire MI5 unit earlier on about this "secret group formed to anihilate live aboard boaters".
It turns out it is a Very Real Plan. The gist of it seems to be that laws will come in whereby anyone living on a boat* will have to prove that they are not simply doing so in order to save rent money. If you can't prove that it's 13 years in the clink. Possibly some good behaviour allowances.
*how do they prove you are living on the boat ?
With your phone location data.
Its scary shit.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 17, 2018 9:29:47 GMT
I'm guessing most people don't realise that the Police are quite capable of reading your text messages sent from your mobile phone, and building up a detailed picture of who you are and what you're all about by following your mobile phone movements. Google-Facebook know even more about you.
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Post by kris on Nov 17, 2018 10:34:30 GMT
We shall see, but it will give me no pleasure to say I told you so.
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Post by dyertribe on Nov 17, 2018 10:39:50 GMT
I had a word with the lads at the south Oxfordshire MI5 unit earlier on about this "secret group formed to anihilate live aboard boaters". It turns out it is a Very Real Plan. The gist of it seems to be that laws will come in whereby anyone living on a boat* will have to prove that they are not simply doing so in order to save rent money. If you can't prove that it's 13 years in the clink. Possibly some good behaviour allowances. *how do they prove you are living on the boat ? With your phone location data. Its scary shit. Well, to be fair, you wouldn’t need to worry about rent for 13 years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 11:22:09 GMT
Do we actually know whether this action group are targeting live aboards (without a home mooring) outside the London area, or are we being dragged into this to make up the numbers? They have set up to deal with the issue of people generally living on boats. Therese Coffey has been lobbied by the IWA to address what they see as a "problem". The NBTA are actually a bit late for the party, but I'm glad they are getting involved, simply because the likes of NABO and RBOA are as two faced as fuck.
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Post by kris on Nov 17, 2018 11:37:14 GMT
Do we actually know whether this action group are targeting live aboards (without a home mooring) outside the London area, or are we being dragged into this to make up the numbers? They have set up to deal with the issue of people generally living on boats. Therese Coffey has been lobbied by the IWA to address what they see as a "problem". The NBTA are actually a bit late for the party, but I'm glad they are getting involved, simply because the likes of NABO and RBOA are as two faced as fuck. people don't seem to realise this is going to effect all livaboard boaters. Or maybe it's just that most people aren't livaboard boaters so think this won't effect them?
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Post by NigelMoore on Nov 17, 2018 11:56:04 GMT
What do you think is fake about the news? It is a fact that the group described has been set up in response to a local MP’s passing on of concerns from his constituency, arising mostly from the general uproar evidenced by your quotes from a year old topic on YBW (many other, and more recent topics available there contain the same disgruntlement over the same issue). It is also a fact that details are being withheld as a matter of deliberate policy for the reasons stated in FoI responses. The NBTA are fulfilling their remit to protect those affected, currently or potentially, from over-bearing action by authorities, regardless of the original spur to such proceedings. They do so by going directly to the MP’s of influence, calling on all boaters affected to follow suit individually. No other organisation in recent decades has performed as vigorously or with such general success. It is certainly appropriate for them as on this occasion, to call for transparency over the intentions of the group, and to highlight the deficiencies of the implied road to remedy. The government initiative has arisen from the local Thames situation, but DEFRA recognises that the problems as perceived are (at least potentially) nation-wide, hence gathering together those responsible for waterways all over the country, including but not limited to CaRT and the EA. So whatever ‘solution’ they come up with will be designedly applicable nation-wide. In truth there is no difficulty in the various authorities meeting the challenge; they simply need to follow their empowered route to appropriate byelaws. A problem there lies in the reactionary fervour that results in ridiculously prescriptive terms for mooring (as I pointed out in commenting on the same subject in the Brexit thread). Another part of the problem is the inexplicable reluctance to follow that route by most of them. As with CaRT, they prefer to follow methods of dubious legality, as being the cheaper, swifter, and usually successful option. That is what needs to be guarded against. I have a reservation over the reliance on Halsbury as cited, which in my opinion does not claim to extend PRN’s to include any right to ride roughshod over private riparian rights; it is disagreement over this that lies at the heart of Alistair’s approach. That has the potential to bring the remaining valid points into disrepute.
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Post by NigelMoore on Nov 17, 2018 11:59:26 GMT
Do we actually know whether this action group are targeting live aboards (without a home mooring) outside the London area, or are we being dragged into this to make up the numbers? The NBTA are actually a bit late for the party . . . In fairness, they waited until various FoI requests were turned down; the burden of their article’s complaint over the secrecy needed to be established first.
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