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Post by JohnV on Feb 27, 2019 0:16:29 GMT
for the benefit of those wondering, we are talking of about 130 foot
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 5:06:12 GMT
To refer to the original post in the other place; Selling your house and moving onto a large boat late in life with little experience is a stupid idea. The family who live on what must be the largest live aboard boat on the CRT system is a first time boater. He manages his boat with great skill. ...... When he made the decision to buy, he made sure he got experience on large boats crewing for experienced skippers. but it is still his first boat Presumably he has a mooring and is not CC on a muddy ditch.
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Post by patty on Feb 27, 2019 6:18:50 GMT
To refer to the original post in the other place; Selling your house and moving onto a large boat late in life with little experience is a stupid idea. . That’s one opinion I suppose... another is if u don’t do stuff when u can u never will and I think good for donkey. Wish I had just gone for it and not sold my boat to tie myself to bricks n mortar. But I made the decision and despite what I really want to do am tied now. I’ve lost £££££’s with Horror House renovation and subsequent move. I will still dabble with boats as and when but realism dictates that I blew my chance. So IMO Donkeys made a brilliant choice.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 27, 2019 7:54:56 GMT
The family who live on what must be the largest live aboard boat on the CRT system is a first time boater. He manages his boat with great skill. ...... When he made the decision to buy, he made sure he got experience on large boats crewing for experienced skippers. but it is still his first boat Presumably he has a mooring and is not CC on a muddy ditch. Nope ..... he's a CCer (and a genuine one ..... covers virtually every bit where he will fit)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 8:08:11 GMT
With that size he isn't on a muddy ditch. Its also very different to a smaller boat, no manual handling for starters. Not really comparable to CC on a muddy ditch.
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Post by kris on Feb 27, 2019 8:23:41 GMT
To refer to the original post in the other place; Selling your house and moving onto a large boat late in life with little experience is a stupid idea. Moving on to alarge old boat at any time of life is a stupid idea, but this hasn't stopped people.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 27, 2019 8:24:28 GMT
You are right, He's on a proper canal where sewer tubes look obscenely small You're likely to find him anywhere in the Northeast, Smashing boat, proper bit of the heritage of the North ...... you know the type of boat, the sort that CRT with their Southcentric attitudes are trying to drive off their waters with their 25% loading. This was them going astern past me ...... you can get an idea of the size if you look at the man standing on deck near the bow (which is still out of shot ) SAM_1585 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Post by kris on Feb 27, 2019 8:25:40 GMT
The family who live on what must be the largest live aboard boat on the CRT system is a first time boater. He manages his boat with great skill. ...... When he made the decision to buy, he made sure he got experience on large boats crewing for experienced skippers. but it is still his first boat Presumably he has a mooring and is not CC on a muddy ditch. If I'm thinking about the same family on the same boat they are cc'ers. John posted before me, so it is the boat I was thinking of. So they are definately cc,ers
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Post by peterboat on Feb 27, 2019 8:58:57 GMT
I know who you are talking about John big boat but not as big as when Keith used to skipper her. don't think it was shortened Peter ..... it is certainly still longer than it's original size when first built It was lengthened and then shortened! It was needed for a job so they did it whilst Keith was skippering her, then when that job finished she was shortened for another job, common practice in those days.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 27, 2019 9:00:47 GMT
The family who live on what must be the largest live aboard boat on the CRT system is a first time boater. He manages his boat with great skill. ...... When he made the decision to buy, he made sure he got experience on large boats crewing for experienced skippers. but it is still his first boat Presumably he has a mooring and is not CC on a muddy ditch. We dont have muddy ditches up here we have proper size waterways for proper boats, he C & C s her
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Post by peterboat on Feb 27, 2019 9:05:24 GMT
With that size he isn't on a muddy ditch. Its also very different to a smaller boat, no manual handling for starters. Not really comparable to CC on a muddy ditch. Of course its manual handling, they dont have bow thrusters, they just know how to boat!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 27, 2019 9:07:25 GMT
That looks to me like "Freda Carless", built around late 50's or early 60's for Fliixborough Shipping.
If I remember right she was lengthened by her last owner/operators, Acaster Water Transport, to around 160' and shortened back down by about 30' to somewhere around her original length when they sold her after the Trent sand and gravel trade was killed off in July 2013 when (New) Besthorpe was closed to river traffic.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 27, 2019 9:09:34 GMT
you got it in one Tony He did a few trips with Acasters to get some experience on her before he bought her
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 27, 2019 9:53:53 GMT
Getting hung up on the cill going downgate isn't in fact the greatest hazard, . . getting the bow wedged in the bottom gate recess with the stem right up against the heel post of the gate and the top guard overhanging the copings is far more likely to happen. None of this is really a problem, though, . . . if a boat can fit into a lock, then it doesn't matter if there's only inches to spare or several feet. Another positive aspect of penning a boat that's on the limit for size in a lock is that you're so nervous about it getting hung up or caught and held down that you're far more careful than you normally would be and you concentrate on what you're doing much harder than you normally would. The reality is that the tighter the lock chamber is for your boat, the less likely you are to make a disastrous balls-up ! Totally agree Tony. If I do make it that far, any other boats will be waved through so I can really take my time. Taking your time with locks is all well and good, but only up to a point ! Working locks too slowly can lull people into a false sense of thinking nothing will go wrong and then losing concentration because of that, in just the same way that having plenty of room to spare in a lock chamber can fool you into thinking your boat is not going to get caught on something or hung-up. There is a very positive side to drawing-up paddles/sluices/cloughs quickly and by good, generous amounts instead of just a few 'nicks' at a time. The sudden rapid movement of water in or out of the lock chamber caused by drawing up quickly at either end sets up a sort of surge or flush which runs up and down the lock chamber and keeps the boat moving backwards and forwards whilst the lock is filling or draining down. If this movement is restrained, but not eliminated altogether, by means of the boat's stem fender for 'ahead' movement and stop ropes round lockside bollards for 'astern' movement, then the constant movements and jiggling about of the boat actually tend to help prevent it from catching on and/or getting hung-up on anything. If there isn't a bollard in the right place, take a couple of turns with the stop line/rope round a paddle spindle, or something else handy on the nearest gate - like, for instance, over the balance beam and round the step-up board a couple of times. Practice all this at first with nobody else around to distract or pester you, and in locks with plenty of room to spare, then as you get better at it and more confident, you'll find it all gets easier and easier with every lock you get under your belt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:23:27 GMT
Totally agree Tony. If I do make it that far, any other boats will be waved through so I can really take my time. Taking your time with locks is all well and good, but only up to a point ! Working locks too slowly can lull people into a false sense of thinking nothing will go wrong and then losing concentration because of that, in just the same way that having plenty of room to spare in a lock chamber can fool you into thinking your boat is not going to get caught on something or hung-up. There is a very positive side to drawing-up paddles/sluices/cloughs quickly and by good, generous amounts instead of just a few 'nicks' at a time. The sudden rapid movement of water in or out of the lock chamber caused by drawing up quickly at either end sets up a sort of surge or flush which runs up and down the lock chamber and keeps the boat moving backwards and forwards whilst the lock is filling or draining down. If this movement is restrained, but not eliminated altogether, by means of the boat's stem fender for 'ahead' movement and stop ropes round lockside bollards for 'astern' movement, then the constant movements and jiggling about of the boat actually tend to help prevent it from catching on and/or getting hung-up on anything. If there isn't a bollard in the right place, take a couple of turns with the stop line/rope round a paddle spindle, or something else handy on the nearest gate - like, for instance, over the balance beam and round the step-up board a couple of times. Practice all this at first with nobody else around to distract or pester you, and in locks with plenty of room to spare, then as you get better at it and more confident, you'll find it all gets easier and easier with every lock you get under your belt. Pretty much what I have been doing. I certainly think I operate locks better than about 50% of other boaters I've met/watched. Only time I take it really slowly is when I come across something I've not seen before, then it's the double/triple checks, stop to think have I missed anything sort of stuff.
As you say experience builds and things gets easier.
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