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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:26:57 GMT
So here’s your chance Jim and Andy, find a video which argues why we should stay in the EU and prove 17 million wrong..., Why would I do that? I voted to leave - although if leave means a hard brexit then if I'm given the opportunity I'll be voting to stay. If there is a hard exit, I strongly suspect that other countries will follow and we will eventually end up with what I think you want, a common market. The one we had before power crazed individuals within the EU tried to turn the common market into the United States of Europe. If we end up staying connected to the EU as it stands (even if just by subtle legal hooks), we will almost certainly lose democracy and any right to vote in our future. The EU clearly aren’t interested in democracy and even ridicule it. This all until persuaded otherwise of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 14:58:01 GMT
That post really got people talking...
(no I didn't watch it or am I likely to do)
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Post by thebfg on Mar 25, 2019 16:27:59 GMT
Farage talks sense. Theres not much there that is not factual.
None of this spinning figures, I dident realise it was the biggest vote, post war.
That Miliband is a twazzock.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 25, 2019 18:14:26 GMT
another interesting viewpoint from a Labour politician
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 21:07:08 GMT
Yes watched it.
Farage said nothing new, nothing anybody who hasnt done a reasonable bit of research doesnt/didnt already know.
Still a remainer.
And for goodness sake, how easy it to be to interviewed by somebody who shares your agenda?
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Post by JohnV on Mar 26, 2019 22:03:15 GMT
Yes watched it. Farage said nothing new, nothing anybody who hasnt done a reasonable bit of research doesnt/didnt already know.Still a remainer. And for goodness sake, how easy it to be to interviewed by somebody who shares your agenda? So he told the truth ..... hmmmm I would have said that was startlingly different from almost every other politician I have ever heard being interviewed |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 22:05:06 GMT
Yes watched it. Farage said nothing new, nothing anybody who hasnt done a reasonable bit of research doesnt/didnt already know.Still a remainer. And for goodness sake, how easy it to be to interviewed by somebody who shares your agenda? So he told the truth ..... hmmmm I would have said that was startlingly different from almost every other politician I have ever heard being interviewed He's just shitting it because it will be more difficult for him to go over with his plastic fantastic. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 22:07:34 GMT
Yes watched it. Farage said nothing new, nothing anybody who hasnt done a reasonable bit of research doesnt/didnt already know.Still a remainer. And for goodness sake, how easy it to be to interviewed by somebody who shares your agenda? So he told the truth ..... hmmmm I would have said that was startlingly different from almost every other politician I have ever heard being interviewed His 'version of the truth' i have heard him say before, i thought it was going to be something new. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 27, 2019 7:25:52 GMT
It's hard to combat strongly held beliefs with facts, worshipers will never see that Nigel is wrong, he just tells lies that support their world view so they think he is the Bees knees. How many Bulgarians (choose whichever country you want) did Nige say were All coming here?
There is a vague phrase thrown around, "EU dictated that we do x" but it isn't true. Name one rule that was foist upon us without agreement.
The problem has arisen because of the miniscule majority of the vote, it was and will remain divisive. 2 different world views, staid isolationist, backward looking, v forward thinking, merging with other people to create a better world. Anyway I'm not calling for another referendum any more.
A confirmatory vote will sort it.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 27, 2019 8:08:46 GMT
It's hard to combat strongly held beliefs with facts, worshipers will never see that Nigel is wrong, he just tells lies that support their world view so they think he is the Bees knees. How many Bulgarians (choose whichever country you want) did Nige say were All coming here? There is a vague phrase thrown around, "EU dictated that we do x" but it isn't true. Name one rule that was foist upon us without agreement. The problem has arisen because of the miniscule majority of the vote, it was and will remain divisive. 2 different world views, staid isolationist, backward looking, v forward thinking, merging with other people to create a better world. Anyway I'm not calling for another referendum any more. A confirmatory vote will sort it. please tell me what lies, you can't just say it's all lies without saying what he said in that interview that was a lie. You might not agree with his conclusions but you can't just say it's all lies without even a shred of evidence. .....Well you can but it just makes your statement totally unbelievable. Did you listen to the speeches of Peter Shore and Tony Benn that I posted ? ........ or are they just coming out with right wing lies as well ?? and incidentally the problems being caused in Eastern European countries by the loss of so many of their young professionals to richer countries is proved by the attempts by their politicians to tempt them to return. |
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Post by JohnV on Mar 27, 2019 8:23:00 GMT
Incidentally, anyone who didn't listen to that clip from Tony Benn really ought to. I was never a supporter of Benn, he was too far to the left for me but I have never doubted the quality of his intellect and his critique of the governing system of the EU is clear .... and damning
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 8:47:56 GMT
It's hard to combat strongly held beliefs with facts, worshipers will never see that Nigel is wrong, he just tells lies that support their world view so they think he is the Bees knees. How many Bulgarians (choose whichever country you want) did Nige say were All coming here? There is a vague phrase thrown around, "EU dictated that we do x" but it isn't true. Name one rule that was foist upon us without agreement. The problem has arisen because of the miniscule majority of the vote, it was and will remain divisive. 2 different world views, staid isolationist, backward looking, v forward thinking, merging with other people to create a better world. Anyway I'm not calling for another referendum any more. A confirmatory vote will sort it. Did you listen to the speeches of Peter Shore and Tony Benn that I posted ? ... I don’t think Jim want’s anything to compromise his views. I get that, I used to be stubborn too, still am sometimes. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 27, 2019 8:56:16 GMT
It's a waste of breath arguing with Jim. He's set in his mind. And his side lost. Boo hoo. Next, please!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 9:11:05 GMT
It's a waste of breath arguing with Jim. He's set in his mind. And his side lost. Boo hoo. Next, please! Actually, if our government insist on not upholding democracy, we have all lost. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 9:26:21 GMT
Farage is intelligent, and that always scares the shit out of dead brain lefties.
This is an example of a typical Farage reply to an insult directed at him:
""Nigel Farage now gets to respond to Mr Verhofstadt's accusations that he is like Field Marshall Haig as represented in Blackadder.
"It was Field Marshal Haig who saved the Belgium town of Ypres from German domination," he says.
"Far from mocking Haig, he should be a great hero to you.".""
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