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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 22:04:16 GMT
Can't see how it was wasted. They have decided what they don't want. They were supposed to be coming to a view about what the house of commons wanted. Not what they didnt want. They rejected the suggestions put forward, so obviously not what is required. Other ideas will evolve.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 22:06:49 GMT
They were supposed to be coming to a view about what the house of commons wanted. Not what they didnt want. They rejected the suggestions put forward, so obviously not what is required. Other ideas will evolve. Indeed, various mps are already claiming the case for a peoples vote, supporting may's deal, leaving with no deal, leaving with a softer exit than mays deal etc etc. Which is exactly where we were yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 22:20:11 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if May's deal got through on Friday. Nobody within parliament wants an election for fear of losing their jobs. I suspect many labour MP's will vote for May's deal rather than have Corbyn as PM. So the numbers are slowly coming together I think. May stating she will resign has made a huge difference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 22:22:24 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if May's deal got through on Friday. Nobody within parliament wants an election for fear of losing their jobs. I suspect many labour MP's will vote for May's deal rather than have Corbyn as PM. So the numbers are slowly coming together I think. May stating she will resign has made a huge difference. This has to be the only outcome i agree.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 28, 2019 10:22:56 GMT
I have got a strong feeling that a lot of MPs will be looking for new jobs come the next election.
Something like two thirds of them have not represented the votes of their constituents, in fact many have gone contrary to their constituents expressed wishes.
Such barefaced rejection of the unwritten contract between the people and their representatives, is not likely to be quickly forgiven nor forgotten.
If we fail to leave the EU it will be a bitter blow to democracy. They need to remember that when Scotland joined the Union it left an anger burning that still echoes over 200 years later. it will be a despicable act.
To paraphrase Burns
Bought and sold for Europe's gold Sic a parcel of rogues in a nation
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 10:36:52 GMT
I have got a strong feeling that a lot of MPs will be looking for new jobs come the next election. Something like two thirds of them have not represented the votes of their constituents, in fact many have gone contrary to their constituents expressed wishes. Such barefaced rejection of the unwritten contract between the people and their representatives, is not likely to be quickly forgiven nor forgotten. If we fail to leave the EU it will be a bitter blow to democracy. They need to remember that when Scotland joined the Union it left an anger burning that still echoes over 200 years later. it will be a despicable act. To paraphrase Burns Bought and sold for Europe's gold Sic a parcel of rogues in a nation The root of the problem is that politicians are persuaded more by corporate interests than the interests of the people. People who spend most of their lives slaving away for a corporation. Even when politicians haven’t got thier finger in corporate or financial pies, they are still persuaded by those who have. This even at local council level. My direct experience with MP’s shows that they look like they will take an interest in your views initially but rarely do anything and fob you off. Politicians working in government seem to have moved further down the pecking order and are not very effective at fulfilling the wishes of the majority of us sheep. I blame the overbearing influence of...well greed really.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 10:52:58 GMT
Exactly. Its a completely bent system. Anyone with any influence is likely to be relatively wealthy and what do wealthy people want? More Money. Even if they are perfectly comfortable they want More. So they will form policies which simply reward them and the other influential people forming the policies!
Joke situation.
It seems to be all a bit related to WW2 in a way. There was a huge industrial boom after the war then successful British companies were sold off to conglomerates concentrating wealth into small numbers of people.
Its a sort of evolution of greed.
It does not appear to be possible for it to have positive outcomes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 11:20:04 GMT
Exactly. Its a completely bent system. Anyone with any influence is likely to be relatively wealthy and what do wealthy people want? More Money. Even if they are perfectly comfortable they want More. So they will form policies which simply reward them and the other influential people forming the policies! Joke situation. It seems to be all a bit related to WW2 in a way. There was a huge industrial boom after the war then successful British companies were sold off to conglomerates concentrating wealth into small numbers of people. Its a sort of evolution of greed. It does not appear to be possible for it to have positive outcomes. Not for the majority, not even for most politicians...something they might want to think about. The problem is that by concentrating the financial power further up the pyramid, even those who think they will be Ok in retirement, probably won’t. This is the danger with us becoming a puppet under a European State or worse, under a World State. Look at the way the EU are manipulating our government presently. When will people realise money is just a tool, not a measure of someone’s real worth in this life? Once everyone, especially those with financial power get that, we may reach a time where we can unite.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 28, 2019 11:30:17 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if May's deal got through on Friday. Nobody within parliament wants an election for fear of losing their jobs. I suspect many labour MP's will vote for May's deal rather than have Corbyn as PM. So the numbers are slowly coming together I think. May stating she will resign has made a huge difference. I have been saying all along that the deal or a slightly better deal would be signed at the 11 hour on the etc, in some ways its crap, but its better than Brexit being stopped, and of course from that point on MPs dont get a say in the next 2 years of negotiations, so if a Brexit PM is in the chair things might improve rapidly
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 11:35:03 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if May's deal got through on Friday. Nobody within parliament wants an election for fear of losing their jobs. I suspect many labour MP's will vote for May's deal rather than have Corbyn as PM. So the numbers are slowly coming together I think. May stating she will resign has made a huge difference. I have been saying all along that the deal or a slightly better deal would be signed at the 11 hour on the etc, in some ways its crap, but its better than Brexit being stopped, and of course from that point on MPs dont get a say in the next 2 years of negotiations, so if a Brexit PM is in the chair things might improve rapidly I'd prefer no deal myself. I'm hoping it gets to the 11th hour and we just leave.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 12:23:35 GMT
Exactly. Its a completely bent system. Anyone with any influence is likely to be relatively wealthy and what do wealthy people want? More Money. Even if they are perfectly comfortable they want More. So they will form policies which simply reward them and the other influential people forming the policies! Joke situation. It seems to be all a bit related to WW2 in a way. There was a huge industrial boom after the war then successful British companies were sold off to conglomerates concentrating wealth into small numbers of people. Its a sort of evolution of greed. It does not appear to be possible for it to have positive outcomes. Not for the majority, not even for most politicians...something they might want to think about. The problem is that by concentrating the financial power further up the pyramid, even those who think they will be Ok in retirement, probably won’t. This is the danger with us becoming a puppet under a European State or worse, under a World State. Look at the way the EU are manipulating our government presently. When will people realise money is just a tool, not a measure of someone’s real worth in this life? Once everyone, especially those with financial power get that, we may reach a time where we can unite. The problem is if you say "he was a very successful man" it generally refers to ability to get money off others. That is a standard definition of "success". I prefer the Bob Dylan version "What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." Yes I do see the irony.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 12:31:57 GMT
Not for the majority, not even for most politicians...something they might want to think about. The problem is that by concentrating the financial power further up the pyramid, even those who think they will be Ok in retirement, probably won’t. This is the danger with us becoming a puppet under a European State or worse, under a World State. Look at the way the EU are manipulating our government presently. When will people realise money is just a tool, not a measure of someone’s real worth in this life? Once everyone, especially those with financial power get that, we may reach a time where we can unite. The problem is if you say "he was a very successful man" it generally refers to ability to get money off others. That is a standard definition of "success". I prefer the Bob Dylan version "What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do." Yes I do see the irony. In the business speak world you have time, quality and money. Money isn’t real, quality time is all we really need. Unfortunately we all need some money to survive in this sausage factory. BTW the quick, cheap or right model is a useful one in the business world. You can have two out of the three but not all three.
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Post by IainS on Mar 28, 2019 15:59:00 GMT
"What’s happened is that at some point politics became a ‘career’ so it has attracted careerists with very little talent to succeed at anything else, who only see politics as a way to get rich quick rather than serve the people they claim to represent. Just look at the perks of the job – huge salaries, paid expenses (it’s been just over 10 yrs since the expenses scandal when the politicians thought we should pay for their flat-screen TVs and duck houses), free travel, cushty pensions and jobs outside politics with companies they ‘regulate’ (ie. do favours for). Since we got taken into the EU in 1975 they made sure that the public had no say in it, using clever manoeuvres to ensure that the people were never consulted on having their freedoms given away. In addition politicians enjoyed the fact they didn’t have to be held accountable for Brussels directives – the more power they gave away the less they were held accountable, and the more they got paid. Nice lazy work if you can get it. That’s all led us to where we are now. We have a Ruling Class who are completely out of touch with so many people on so many issues. They just sneer at us and refuse to accept any responsibility for any of the shit they’ve caused. We’ve got fake Conservatives who want to teach transgenderism to 5yr olds before they’ve even had a basic science lesson, and Champagne Socialists who keep claiming to support comprehensive schools while sending their own kids to selective schools and then feigning outrage every time someone calls them out on their hypocrisy. I’ve said it so many times before and I’ll say it again: we need someone to drain the swamp!!" A post from Foxy that I agree with
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 28, 2019 16:13:00 GMT
* not mine, but I did the legwork to find it *
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