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Post by JohnV on Aug 14, 2019 19:55:57 GMT
considerably so Kris
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Post by thebfg on Aug 14, 2019 22:07:00 GMT
Anyway just to say thanks to Tony for his help. In the event it was a bit of a non-event but the conditions were very benign. On a different day with more severe conditions it would be good to have Tony on hand for advice! I would be interested to know what, if anything, the lock keeper at Naburn had to say about the fact that the whole of your doddle of a journey up from Selby was accomplished whilst a Navigation Closure Notice, supposedly issued due to dangerously adverse river conditions, was still in force for Naburn. The closure wasn't lifted until 1222, . . which would have been over 2 hours after you got there, and cleared the lock ! That is a great point. I certainly would like to know why they let you go knowing the lock Nick was heading to was actually closed.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 14, 2019 22:24:49 GMT
Anyway just to say thanks to Tony for his help. In the event it was a bit of a non-event but the conditions were very benign. On a different day with more severe conditions it would be good to have Tony on hand for advice! I would be interested to know what, if anything, the lock keeper at Naburn had to say about the fact that the whole of your doddle of a journey up from Selby was accomplished whilst a Navigation Closure Notice, supposedly issued due to dangerously adverse river conditions, was still in force for Naburn. The closure wasn't lifted until 1222, . . which would have been over 2 hours after you got there, and cleared the lock ! I think you have to bear in mind that whilst you might hate “the management” of CRT, the actual guys on the ground/bank are normally pretty good. We met 2 lock-keepers at Selby. Both were really nice guys, pleasant and helpful. When originally we wanted to go out at 05:30 on Tuesday, lockie explained that their shifts didn’t start until 6am and they were having difficulties because 2 out of the 3 regular lockies were off sick. But never mind, the lockie would be happy to come in on his day off at 5:30 to let us out if his managers would let him. He phoned me back to say they would. But then of course it got all floody and we cancelled. This morning, same chap on and it was all about the reality of the situation - which was that levels were now fine, bridges air draft fine. Neither of us mentioned the ongoing stoppage notice. That is of course created by some office worker and not related to reality. Selby lockie was a bit concerned because we were the only traffic booked for his shift and once we left he had to go elsewhere. So just in case we had any issues, he gave me his personal mobile number to be used “in emergency”. Naburn lockie had let a couple of narrowboats out before we got there, and when I radioed him everything was ready for us to drive straight in. So they were going on the actuality of the situation, not some office bureaucracy. In other words I can’t fault the guys on the ground. They are just the workers, subject to whatever policies might emanate from head office etc.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 14, 2019 22:28:13 GMT
I would be interested to know what, if anything, the lock keeper at Naburn had to say about the fact that the whole of your doddle of a journey up from Selby was accomplished whilst a Navigation Closure Notice, supposedly issued due to dangerously adverse river conditions, was still in force for Naburn. The closure wasn't lifted until 1222, . . which would have been over 2 hours after you got there, and cleared the lock ! That is a great point. I certainly would like to know why they let you go knowing the lock Nick was heading to was actually closed. It wasn’t actually closed, it was only closed on paper.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 15, 2019 4:48:16 GMT
That is a great point. I certainly would like to know why they let you go knowing the lock Nick was heading to was actually closed. It wasn’t actually closed, it was only closed on paper. So, . . how do you think your Insurers would have viewed a claim arising out of some unforeseen incident, such as a mechanical breakdown, whilst on passage on a notoriously savage tidal river despite a Navigation Closure Notice issued due to safety concerns, and still in force ?
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Post by patty on Aug 15, 2019 4:54:57 GMT
It wasn’t actually closed, it was only closed on paper. So, . . how do you think your Insurers would have viewed a claim arising out of some unforeseen incident, such as a mechanical breakdown, whilst on passage on a notoriously savage tidal river despite a Navigation Closure Notice issued due to safety concerns, and still in force ? I guess thats a valid point...fortunately Nick got through without any adverse event. I would suspect the insurance company would have used the closure to wriggle out of paying if anything had happened.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 15, 2019 5:25:14 GMT
I would be interested to know what, if anything, the lock keeper at Naburn had to say about the fact that the whole of your doddle of a journey up from Selby was accomplished whilst a Navigation Closure Notice, supposedly issued due to dangerously adverse river conditions, was still in force for Naburn. The closure wasn't lifted until 1222, . . which would have been over 2 hours after you got there, and cleared the lock ! In other words I can’t fault the guys on the ground. They are just the workers, subject to whatever policies might emanate from head office etc. something that many of us have repeated on here many times. Glad you had a good trip Nick It's a great river but lord is it overgrown and at low water above Cawood the amount of dead trees and snags exposed that are along the edges are alarming.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 15, 2019 8:50:00 GMT
It wasn’t actually closed, it was only closed on paper. So, . . how do you think your Insurers would have viewed a claim arising out of some unforeseen incident, such as a mechanical breakdown, whilst on passage on a notoriously savage tidal river despite a Navigation Closure Notice issued due to safety concerns, and still in force ? My insurance policy contains no specific clause stating that internet navigation closure notices must be obeyed verbatim. It does of course carry the general condition about not being reckless etc. It can easily be demonstrated that CRT stoppage notices are often late to be issued and late to be revoked. They carry no weight of law. The important point would be whether we acted recklessly. With CRT’s “experts on the ground” advising that passage was safe, and facilitating it without pressure from me, and with the state of the rivers being freely available on the internet and quite safe, it would be easy to demonstrate that the passage was not conducted recklessly. So I have absolutely no worries on that score.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 15, 2019 10:34:54 GMT
Met duncan at Linton lock. Very pleasant chap. One of those volockies to put into the “good” category!
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Post by kris on Aug 15, 2019 13:24:37 GMT
Met duncan at Linton lock. Very pleasant chap. One of those volockies to put into the “good” category! Pardon?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 15, 2019 14:46:40 GMT
Met duncan at Linton lock. Very pleasant chap. One of those volockies to put into the “good” category! Pardon? Granted.
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Post by kris on Aug 15, 2019 14:54:36 GMT
Sorry I was just in shock, don't let the WFC catch you showing favouritism
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Post by bargemast on Aug 15, 2019 15:27:25 GMT
This is an interesting one. Not my picture nor do I have any idea what the event was. Edit - actually looking at it again on Flikr along with the description it seems as if it was taken during the same flood that mine were. The Narrowboat looks to be the same boat but the waters have subsided a little. The cruiser has gone. The barge in the front sun, looks like an interesting sized boat. Hello Kris, I agree with you that that smaller barge "SUN" is a nice size, I think that it belongs to a series of BW Workbarges that were built at Camplins Of Goole, like the "NEPTUNE" - "CANOPUS" - "SIRIUS" - "URANUS" - "MERCURY" - and "VENUS" that belongs to the guy who works "AMBUSH" with Derek Bent. The size of these boat is/was 50' x 11'6", I wrote something aboat it here : thunderboat.boards.net/thread/1604/leeds-liverpool-shortboats?page=7 Peter.
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Post by kris on Aug 15, 2019 17:04:25 GMT
The barge in the front sun, looks like an interesting sized boat. Hello Kris, I agree with you that that smaller barge "SUN" is a nice size, I think that it belongs to a series of BW Workbarges that were built at Camplins Of Goole, like the "NEPTUNE" - "CANOPUS" - "SIRIUS" - "URANUS" - "MERCURY" - and "VENUS" that belongs to the guy who works "AMBUSH" with Derek Bent. The size of these boat is/was 50' x 11'6", I wrote something aboat it here : thunderboat.boards.net/thread/1604/leeds-liverpool-shortboats?page=7 Peter. Hello Peter hope you are well. I know the boat Venus and have been aboard. So sun is a similar size to Venus? Very interesting.
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Post by bargemast on Aug 15, 2019 17:16:45 GMT
Hello Kris, I agree with you that that smaller barge "SUN" is a nice size, I think that it belongs to a series of BW Workbarges that were built at Camplins Of Goole, like the "NEPTUNE" - "CANOPUS" - "SIRIUS" - "URANUS" - "MERCURY" - and "VENUS" that belongs to the guy who works "AMBUSH" with Derek Bent. The size of these boat is/was 50' x 11'6", I wrote something aboat it here : thunderboat.boards.net/thread/1604/leeds-liverpool-shortboats?page=7 Peter. Hello Peter hope you are well. I know the boat Venus and have been aboard. So sun is a similar size to Venus? Very interesting. I suppose so, if you know Lee ("Venus") you could as him, he may know more. Peter.
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