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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 10, 2020 0:29:15 GMT
Loving it here in Barmouth. Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm sure there are some local sensibilities that won't be to my taste but I know already that it was a good choice.
I really miss my Boatman stove though. I have a stove in the house, a bit of internet trawling tells me its a Villager. It's not just an over large ugly thing with an overly effeminate appearance, it's also a death trap. It seems that the only control the thing has is what I think they call a baffle, an adjustment where the stove meets the outlet pipe. The bit underneath the stove is either loose or pretty well falling off: Zero control.
The outlet pipe is at 90 Degrees to the stove. What was presumably the proper outlet is now what seems to be a 'hot plate'. All well and good apart from the fact that if you shine a torch inside the stove you see daylight around the 'hot plate', half a tub of fire cement fixed that.
I lit a fire tonight with some of the logs that were kindly left behind by the previous owner. Having sealed up the yawning gap around the 'hot plate' I was confident of taking the chill off without the risk of being gassed. Blazing fire lit then closed the baffle a little to be met with choking smoke coming into the living room. A torch and mirror revealed a gap maybe 10mm x 20mm around where the flue exits the stove I.e. around the back of it.
What kind of shit is a villager stove? It looks like it might have been a fairly expensive unit in its day.
I lived for 7 years with my boatman, a cheap stove but a brilliant one as it was controllable and made no complaints when I abused it. Quite the opposite of this lump of shite I'm burdened with.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 10, 2020 5:24:46 GMT
Foxy's Tip of the Day:
-replace Villager stove with Boatman stove.
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Post by kris on Nov 10, 2020 5:59:11 GMT
Villagers are good stoves when they are right.
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 10, 2020 6:31:50 GMT
Lollygagger's tip: Check for leaks BEFORE you light a new to you stove. User error.
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Post by patty on Nov 10, 2020 6:50:08 GMT
Loving it here in Barmouth. Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm sure there are some local sensibilities that won't be to my taste but I know already that it was a good choice. I really miss my Boatman stove though. I have a stove in the house, a bit of internet trawling tells me its a Villager. It's not just an over large ugly thing with an overly effeminate appearance, it's also a death trap. It seems that the only control the thing has is what I think they call a baffle, an adjustment where the stove meets the outlet pipe. The bit underneath the stove is either loose or pretty well falling off: Zero control. The outlet pipe is at 90 Degrees to the stove. What was presumably the proper outlet is now what seems to be a 'hot plate'. All well and good apart from the fact that if you shine a torch inside the stove you see daylight around the 'hot plate', half a tub of fire cement fixed that. I lit a fire tonight with some of the logs that were kindly left behind by the previous owner. Having sealed up the yawning gap around the 'hot plate' I was confident of taking the chill off without the risk of being gassed. Blazing fire lit then closed the baffle a little to be met with choking smoke coming into the living room. A torch and mirror revealed a gap maybe 10mm x 20mm around where the flue exits the stove I.e. around the back of it. What kind of shit is a villager stove? It looks like it might have been a fairly expensive unit in its day. I lived for 7 years with my boatman, a cheap stove but a brilliant one as it was controllable and made no complaints when I abused it. Quite the opposite of this lump of shite I'm burdened with. oops.... I can relate to the choking smoke as yep that woz Horror House set up when I arrived. Initially used loads fire cement to block all the gaps but the stove in the lounge was awful. Fortunately I moved in the summer months but ended up replacing one stove(death trap), having chimney lined(the gap behind stove full of soot n rubble) and then having Rayburn refurbished..water tank had gone. These Welsh cottages can eat £££££..however you have far more DIY skills so nice projects to keep u going. Enjoy ..
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 10, 2020 8:04:06 GMT
Loving it here in Barmouth. Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm sure there are some local sensibilities that won't be to my taste but I know already that it was a good choice. I really miss my Boatman stove though. I have a stove in the house, a bit of internet trawling tells me its a Villager. It's not just an over large ugly thing with an overly effeminate appearance, it's also a death trap. It seems that the only control the thing has is what I think they call a baffle, an adjustment where the stove meets the outlet pipe. The bit underneath the stove is either loose or pretty well falling off: Zero control. The outlet pipe is at 90 Degrees to the stove. What was presumably the proper outlet is now what seems to be a 'hot plate'. All well and good apart from the fact that if you shine a torch inside the stove you see daylight around the 'hot plate', half a tub of fire cement fixed that. I lit a fire tonight with some of the logs that were kindly left behind by the previous owner. Having sealed up the yawning gap around the 'hot plate' I was confident of taking the chill off without the risk of being gassed. Blazing fire lit then closed the baffle a little to be met with choking smoke coming into the living room. A torch and mirror revealed a gap maybe 10mm x 20mm around where the flue exits the stove I.e. around the back of it. What kind of shit is a villager stove? It looks like it might have been a fairly expensive unit in its day. I lived for 7 years with my boatman, a cheap stove but a brilliant one as it was controllable and made no complaints when I abused it. Quite the opposite of this lump of shite I'm burdened with. oops.... I can relate to the choking smoke as yep that woz Horror House set up when I arrived. Initially used loads fire cement to block all the gaps but the stove in the lounge was awful. Fortunately I moved in the summer months but ended up replacing one stove(death trap), having chimney lined(the gap behind stove full of soot n rubble) and then having Rayburn refurbished..water tank had gone. These Welsh cottages can eat £££££.. however you have far more DIY skills so nice projects to keep u going. Enjoy .. Do you not read Ricco's DIY threads? :lol:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 9:02:32 GMT
Congrats on completing the move Ricco, its a beautiful place is Barmouth- as is the North Wales coast in general to be honest.
Having lived a mobile lifestyle for 7 years, I'd love to know how your feelings develop about being static for the next x years.
That said, if you had to choose a place to life a static life, it would not be easy to find a lovelier place than the North Wales coast. The sea and the shoreline has a magic and a variety all its own.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 10, 2020 9:04:29 GMT
We have Boatman stove in lounge at bungalow suggest you do same at cottage problem solved Mate
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Post by mouse on Nov 10, 2020 9:08:41 GMT
In defence of the stove, it is probably more of a shit install than a rubbish stove.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 10, 2020 9:10:08 GMT
Obviously any stove is only as good as its installation! One difference between a house stove and a boat stove is the flue length. Depending on the exact nature of the house flue, once it is up to temperature the draw is massively more than a boat stove, due to the length. So, whilst obviously any gaps in the flue fittings should be filled, probably once the thing is up to temperature there would be sufficient suction to prevent any smoke escaping into the room.
But also I’m a bit surprised that you seem to be saying that the only control is the flue choke. Surely there must be some air inlet control somewhere, maybe it is hiding!?
Anyway, you should check out the condition of the flue before using it. Based on what you have found so far, it seems likely that the flue is not in good condition and probably at the least, needs sweeping. You don’t want a chimney fire! If the flue is made of interlocking clay sections it is probably fine. If it is unlined, beware of it leaking into upstairs rooms. If it has a steel liner then check for corrosion and holes. And get a CO a detector!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 9:11:11 GMT
Exactly and probably abused as well.
Any stove will be junk if it is damaged, rotted out or badly fitted.
Villager are basically good, not pretty, multifuel stoves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 9:13:26 GMT
Clinton Cool said: "The bit underneath the stove is either loose or pretty well falling off: " ---- Some of the villager stoves had a completely removeable ash door which was opened and closed on a cam arrangement to set the draught. If you take it off there might be a cam in the middle which needs lining up properly. It allows fine adjustment of air as long as there is fire rope around the rectangular door itself. Later ones had hinged doors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 9:17:10 GMT
The cam is this item Oval handle on other side. To fit the door you have to line the flat bit up with the top of the door itself the slot the door in place. There are pins on bottom corners of the door. Rotating the cam adjusts the top of the door in and out while it sits on the pins. The roll pin in the cam itself stops the door dropping off on full adjustment. Sounds like you might have one of these units.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 10, 2020 10:22:37 GMT
The cam is this item Oval handle on other side. To fit the door you have to line the flat bit up with the top of the door itself the slot the door in place. There are pins on bottom corners of the door. Rotating the cam adjusts the top of the door in and out while it sits on the pins. The roll pin in the cam itself stops the door dropping off on full adjustment. Sounds like you might have one of these units. Yes that's the one. Whatever I do with the handle there's a big gap between the stove and the ash door. On top of this there's no stove rope around the pair of doors and no proper channel to securely fit any, just a fairly shallow Chanel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 10:32:38 GMT
Thick fire rope in the Chanel is needed . And glue for it.
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