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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 18:38:08 GMT
naughtyfox ... how many times ? Mr Stabby expresses an opinion and will discuss and listen to opposing views. You just post hate filled nonsense quotes from unattributed sources ... how can anyone discuss such idiocy ? Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 18:41:09 GMT
There was some discussion early in the medpanic that private hospitals may have been obliged to take patients.
Why do I think this didn't happen and why do I also think it never would happen?
At the end of the day a fucked NHS is going to drive 'some' people who can afford it to private elf care.
I wonder how this is all going at this point.
I'm still due for an MRI scan and yes the back is still nackered and left leg numb but I baulk at the idea of private health care and not because of money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 18:42:44 GMT
I have to agree with your second paragraph Mr Stabby ... but what do you do with 40,000 seriously ill covid patients ? You can't just refuse to treat them and turn them away from the wards ... it's not a simple either/or issue is it ? And without reducing the spread, we cannot reduce hospital occupancy levels. The 'Nightingale' hospitals have been standing empty. The Conservatives have been running the NHS into the ground for many years. Perhaps the NHS should have been properly funded and properly run? How about chasing up all the foreigners that have used the NHS for free and then buggered off back to their own countries and never paid the bills? But then, most of the bills have never been sent out. Tourists like yourself ? And many of us agree, and have said many times that the NHS must be properly financed together with quality management who will not waste funds. Above all else, I hope this will be the over riding lesson from the pandemic. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 4, 2021 18:44:10 GMT
To be brutally frank, we have to accept that the overwhelming majority are at the end of their natural lifespan and allow them to die. And you really expect the UK to watch over 100,000 people die (and probably more if just ignored) without any intervention ? Yes, that is exactly what the UK should have done. For many decades life expectancy has been extended and we have an increasingly elderly population. It is logical therefore to assume that a virus will take more people than it would have done in the days when people lived "three score and ten". Having said that, I read that more people died in 2020 than in any year since 1985 (when the poulation was 10-15 million fewer). Well, can you remember any disastrous epidemic in 1985? Answer, no. The whole thing is media driven, and to a large degree as Magnetman pointed out a few months ago, the internet is the virus.
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Post by ianali on Feb 4, 2021 18:51:40 GMT
There was some discussion early in the medpanic that private hospitals may have been obliged to take patients. Why do I think this didn't happen and why do I also think it never would happen? At the end of the day a fucked NHS is going to drive 'some' people who can afford it to private elf care. I wonder how this is all going at this point. I'm still due for an MRI scan and yes the back is still nackered and left leg numb but I baulk at the idea of private health care and not because of money. I believe that private hospitals did get roped into the whole covid19 thing. I know for a fact that some stopped taking private patients.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 18:53:43 GMT
"Do they know it's Christmas" was around 1985.
Perhaps the incredibly depressing and worthless tone of the song caused untold numbers of deaths in the UK just because people never wanted to hear scum like Geldorf singing again?
A sort of "I'd rather die than be subjected to this tripe" type problem?
Or the threat of nuclear wars maybe.
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Post by ianali on Feb 4, 2021 18:54:42 GMT
To be brutally frank, we have to accept that the overwhelming majority are at the end of their natural lifespan and allow them to die. And you really expect the UK to watch over 100,000 people die (and probably more if just ignored) without any intervention ? Never going to happen was it Mr Stabby whether right or wrong. Rog The NHS watched on last year as my mum passed away in her home. Not a complaint, just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 18:54:42 GMT
There was some discussion early in the medpanic that private hospitals may have been obliged to take patients. Why do I think this didn't happen and why do I also think it never would happen? At the end of the day a fucked NHS is going to drive 'some' people who can afford it to private elf care. I wonder how this is all going at this point. I'm still due for an MRI scan and yes the back is still nackered and left leg numb but I baulk at the idea of private health care and not because of money. I believe that private hospitals did get roped into the whole covid19 thing. I know for a fact that some stopped taking private patients. Fair enough. I remember it being talked about but was not sure if it ever happened. Good if it did. ETA is it possible that the reason they "stopped taking private patients" was because of the increase in numbers due to no access to NHS ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 19:12:57 GMT
For the massive majority of people under 80 Covid is a moderate illness from which they completely recover within a week. Regardless of what we do Covid will continue to spread until it has run its course, all the lockdowns are doing is hugely extending the time frame over which this happens. Meanwhile, with millions unemployed workplace contributions are massively reduced and these are what fund the NHS in the first place, as well as numerous other public services. As I've said before, this is not a "War of the Words" type Martian invasion. This is simply Mother Nature weeding her garden and we should learn to accept that, and get over the idea that a 101-year-old man dying is some type of unnatural event. To be brutally honest, I feel far more sorry for a 50-year-old man who has spent 20 years building up a successful business, only to see it destroyed by an event which he could not have reasonably foreseen, and who is now facing a lifetime of destitution and homelessness, or a 30 year old woman who dies of breast cancer which would have been entirely treatable, had all such treatment not been suspended. Yet dogless and bodger are reluctant to say to you what they have said to me, when what I am saying is essentially the same thing (?). I'm an easy target.I suspect I could piss in the general direction of Finland and still hit the target!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 4, 2021 19:14:54 GMT
Did someone mention 'Logun's Run'? - I had such a crush on him btw. Yes, but that was before you met me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 19:17:09 GMT
And he has yet to meet me of course.
Which is fortuitous.
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Post by ianali on Feb 4, 2021 19:17:23 GMT
I believe that private hospitals did get roped into the whole covid19 thing. I know for a fact that some stopped taking private patients. Fair enough. I remember it being talked about but was not sure if it ever happened. Good if it did. ETA is it possible that the reason they "stopped taking private patients" was because of the increase in numbers due to no access to NHS ? Anything’s possible I suppose. All I can say is that when asked to perform an operation, the reply was no, due to them taking on covid19 duties.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 20:42:23 GMT
Tourists like yourself ? And many of us agree, and have said many times that the NHS must be properly financed together with quality management who will not waste funds. Above all else, I hope this will be the over riding lesson from the pandemic. Rog Oh, come on, don't be a twerp like Andyberg or 'Bedruthan/Jenlyn' - why would you consider me as 'a tourist'? I've been away from the UK for 30 years - just think how much I've SAVED the NHS by not having to call in during thirty years! (not that I've been ill all that time, anyway - nothing serious comes to mind). I'm a British Citizen (still) - not some 'tourist'. My ancestors all British (as far as the family tree goes back to the 1600s). So, just like you, I would be 'entitled' to be dealt with by the ('my') NHS if I needed medical aid. Yes, I've worked in England too. The health service between the UK and Finland has been reciprocal - even before either country joined the 'EU'! Brits suddenly ill in Finland get treated for free (or minimal cost, same as Finns pay), and Finns falling ill in the UK get treated for free (or minimal cost, same as Brits pay). What's wrong with that? Although with 'Brexit' I have no idea what the situation is now - I would imagine that if 'registered' and have residence permits, then that scenario would continue. Andyberg and Bedruthan will have me down as a 'benefits scrounger' when really I've been working throughout, paying taxes and am probably a 'net contributor' to 'the system' rather than a 'taker-outer'. I am completely happy to accept this ... but why can't you accept the same regarding others ? You constantly post hateful, racist posts about others ... even those working within the NHS. Rog
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Post by bodger on Feb 4, 2021 20:53:51 GMT
And he has yet to meet me of course. would that be Andrew or Andrea?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 8:33:10 GMT
I'm still due for an MRI scan and yes the back is still nackered and left leg numb but I baulk at the idea of private health care and not because of money. When Boris went into St Thomas' Hospital do you think he avoided a private bed and treatment? You could argue that going private takes the strain off the NHS so they can treat those who can't afford it. I'm not sure how true that is though, in some cases it's the same people being funded differently.
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