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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 8:38:29 GMT
Of course probably.
Nothing is certain when trying for something like global agreements.
I should have said hopefully really. Pushing for global agreements can happen by democracy or by dictatorship. Are those running the WEF and UN democratically elected by the public? They certainly seem to have a lot of power.
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Post by quaysider on Feb 5, 2021 8:54:01 GMT
We're a bit off topic here but I'll chuck my 2 pennith in RE. NHS and Private treatment..
As has been said (I think by Peter elsewhere but I could be wrong) MUCH of the NHS is already privatized... in the sense that the bits that have no money in them/cost a fortune to deliver (A&E etc) - THINKING back to my personal experiences of "treatment" - I've had 4 operations in the last 10 years via the NHS... except, that when it came to the procedures, (a discectomy on my back, 2 carpul tunnels and a skin cancer removal, only the latter was "proper" nhs... the other 3 were outsourced to private comps. Nuffield in Leeds for the back operation and bmi near sheffield (think it's bmi?).
OTHER smaller things, like injections to my wrists PRE the ops were ALSO done by outsourced private clinics held locally rather than the nhs. I know this cause when the doc said "if you need another injection to keep you going until the op just make an appointment here"... and when I did, it cost me 160 quid for each hand. At the time, I needed to work so sucked it up and paid.
It's naïve to think the NHS isn't already partially privatized anyways... True the loss making areas as mentioned (cancer/A&E) will probably always be true NHS but wherever it's proven more cost effective to buy "services" rather than have folks on standby is always going to be the way forward... given it's happening and has been for years already, I don't see a big problem with this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 8:57:18 GMT
Twenty seven cauliflowers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 9:04:50 GMT
Are those running the WEF and UN democratically elected by the public? They certainly seem to have a lot of power. No need for micro-nano-chips in the vaccine! Your phone is your tracker - it shows everywhere you go, (almost) everything you do on it (if you take a photo with it and add that to the gallery, that probably isn't recorded to an outside listener-in). All your call numbers are recorded, all your text-messages can be read by the Police/GCHQ/UK security services. There is now so much you CAN'T do without a computer/smartphone. Now that control and supervision by computers has come out tops, the position for most people is to go to work, go home, buy food. Any deviation from your normal routine will be picked up by computers and someone will have a look to see what that was all about. You weren't visiting a friend during 'lockdown', were you? Why did you go to that address? Libraries in the UK are closed. When will the burning of books start? Actually, for many years, libraries have already been throwing out their books - you've seen them in the baskets by the door. When will you be reporting yourself to the Police for that 'bad thought' you had which goes against the 'majority think'? Did you use your smart phone to send that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 9:14:12 GMT
Did you use your smart phone to send that? No - I used my table top computer. Your point being ? That will have an IP address too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 9:42:02 GMT
Twenty seven cauliflowers. 21 pounds 33 pence, please.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 5, 2021 9:49:44 GMT
And you really expect the UK to watch over 100,000 people die (and probably more if just ignored) without any intervention ? Yes, that is exactly what the UK should have done. For many decades life expectancy has been extended and we have an increasingly elderly population. It is logical therefore to assume that a virus will take more people than it would have done in the days when people lived "three score and ten". Having said that, I read that more people died in 2020 than in any year since 1985 (when the poulation was 10-15 million fewer). Well, can you remember any disastrous epidemic in 1985? Answer, no. The whole thing is media driven, and to a large degree as Magnetman pointed out a few months ago, the internet is the virus. Can you say where you got those figures from? They would seem to be at odds with the ONS figures
Viewing this data it is worth noting that the graph line for 2020 would be off the chart scale
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Post by patty on Feb 5, 2021 9:58:54 GMT
We're a bit off topic here but I'll chuck my 2 pennith in RE. NHS and Private treatment.. As has been said (I think by Peter elsewhere but I could be wrong) MUCH of the NHS is already privatized... in the sense that the bits that have no money in them/cost a fortune to deliver (A&E etc) - THINKING back to my personal experiences of "treatment" - I've had 4 operations in the last 10 years via the NHS... except, that when it came to the procedures, (a discectomy on my back, 2 carpul tunnels and a skin cancer removal, only the latter was "proper" nhs... the other 3 were outsourced to private comps. Nuffield in Leeds for the back operation and bmi near sheffield (think it's bmi?). OTHER smaller things, like injections to my wrists PRE the ops were ALSO done by outsourced private clinics held locally rather than the nhs. I know this cause when the doc said "if you need another injection to keep you going until the op just make an appointment here"... and when I did, it cost me 160 quid for each hand. At the time, I needed to work so sucked it up and paid. It's naïve to think the NHS isn't already partially privatized anyways... True the loss making areas as mentioned (cancer/A&E) will probably always be true NHS but wherever it's proven more cost effective to buy "services" rather than have folks on standby is always going to be the way forward... given it's happening and has been for years already, I don't see a big problem with this. I paid to have a procedure because of the waiting list....however it did not go well because they would not administer essential muscle relaxant due to contra indications ref my raised eye pressure...They did not have ITU facilities so would not risk a possible(highly improbable) reaction... Had to have procedure repeated on the NHS...It was waste of money When I worked I was always being sent up to the private ward as the nurses up there could not do certain procedures .. In addition we would have emergency transfers from the private hospital ref Urology mess ups in the theatres there I'm not a big fan of Private Health care...but if I needed to I would probably use it Little sis had her cataract done privately and very impressed Middle son was put into Private hosp for NHS treatment..he loved it....his own room, TV etc
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Post by bodger on Feb 5, 2021 10:54:05 GMT
Middle son was put into Private hosp for NHS treatment..he loved it....his own room, TV etc
For me - replacement hip done privately as an NHS patient. Brilliant, efficient and caring. And the private horse piddle prob'ly cost less than NHS because they are so efficient at production line operations, concentrating on a limited number of conditions and working the theatres 6 or 7 days a week, 16 hours a day.
What was amazing was that the choice the NHS gave me was: the local super-hospital - 13 week waiting list and the private one - 3 weeks.
It might seem that the majority of folk avoid the private treatment on principle for whatever reason.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 5, 2021 11:05:55 GMT
Middle son was put into Private hosp for NHS treatment..he loved it....his own room, TV etc
For me - replacement hip done privately as an NHS patient. Brilliant, efficient and caring. And the private horse piddle prob'ly cost less than NHS because they are so efficient at production line operations, concentrating on a limited number of conditions and working the theatres 6 or 7 days a week, 16 hours a day.
What was amazing was that the choice the NHS gave me was: the local super-hospital - 13 week waiting list and the private one - 3 weeks.
It might seem that the majority of folk avoid the private treatment on principle for whatever reason.
Sometimes it works the other way .... a friend had a private diagnosis but the consultant did the operation (heart) in an NHS hospital (London Chest) because of the back up needed in case things went wrong.
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Post by ianali on Feb 5, 2021 11:33:22 GMT
Yes, that is exactly what the UK should have done. For many decades life expectancy has been extended and we have an increasingly elderly population. It is logical therefore to assume that a virus will take more people than it would have done in the days when people lived "three score and ten". Having said that, I read that more people died in 2020 than in any year since 1985 (when the poulation was 10-15 million fewer). Well, can you remember any disastrous epidemic in 1985? Answer, no. The whole thing is media driven, and to a large degree as Magnetman pointed out a few months ago, the internet is the virus. Can you say where you got those figures from? They would seem to be at odds with the ONS figures
Viewing this data it is worth noting that the graph line for 2020 would be off the chart scale
I don’t think it would be off the scale. Are you saying England recorded over 600,ooo deaths in 2020?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 5, 2021 11:41:21 GMT
Can you say where you got those figures from? They would seem to be at odds with the ONS figures
Viewing this data it is worth noting that the graph line for 2020 would be off the chart scale
I don’t think it would be off the scale. Are you saying England recorded over 600,ooo deaths in 2020? It did indeed 608,000
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Post by ianali on Feb 5, 2021 11:47:37 GMT
I don’t think it would be off the scale. Are you saying England recorded over 600,ooo deaths in 2020? It did indeed 608,000 Are you sure? I can’t find a figure by google. The ones I find include Wales, whilst your chart is for just England?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 11:51:53 GMT
Can you say where you got those figures from? They would seem to be at odds with the ONS figures
Viewing this data it is worth noting that the graph line for 2020 would be off the chart scale
I don’t think it would be off the scale. Are you saying England recorded over 600,ooo deaths in 2020? You are probably correct, maybe JohnV was getting mistaken between deaths just in England and Deaths in England and Wales.
Not sure where Stabby gets his figures from though as the last time yearly deaths were this high (in England and Wales) was in 1918 not 1985!
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Post by ianali on Feb 5, 2021 12:00:31 GMT
I don’t think it would be off the scale. Are you saying England recorded over 600,ooo deaths in 2020? You are probably correct, maybe JohnV was getting mistaken between deaths just in England and Deaths in England and Wales.
Not sure where Stabby gets his figures from though as the last time yearly deaths were this high (in England and Wales) was in 1918 not 1985!
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No idea about Stabbys figure. But 1985 compared to 2020 probably isn’t much different? I’d think English deaths 2020 were around 560,000. 1985 on Johns graph isnt far from that is it? I’m not a mad covid19 denier, I appreciate the need to protect NHS etc. However, 2020 didn’t massively devastate the Uk, or worlds population.
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