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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 12:36:44 GMT
We are a coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations. For most of us, our boat is our only home. What is happening? Canal & River Trust (CRT) is proposing changes to the Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) for private boat licences. Every boat needs to have a licence, otherwise it can be seized by the Trust. For people who live on boats, these proposed changes vastly increase the risk that their boat licence could be terminated, leading to the seizure, craning out and destruction of their home. We depend on the waterways for our homes and these proposed changes, which will affect some 80% of the UK's inland waterways, will have a significant and far-reaching effect on us. We are looking to raise £1,000 to start the legal process of challenging these changes. We need your support. Please contribute and share, share, share this page now! Thank you so much! Why is this important? There are around 35,000 boats on CRT canals and rivers. This is important not only for the estimated 15,000 people who live on boats on these waterways, but for anyone who wishes or needs to live on a boat in the future, whether or not they have a permanent mooring. The number of people living on boats has grown dramatically over the past 12 years as a result of the housing crisis. People who have boats that they don't live on all year round are also affected. The three conditions for the issue and termination of boat licences are set out in Section 17 of the British Waterways Act 1995. CRT appears to be using the T&Cs to extend the power to terminate boat licences. We are concerned that this would amount to unlawfully changing the boat licence from a statutory requirement to a civil contractual matter. If this move was to be accepted as lawful, it would vastly reduce the protection for CRT's boat licence customers. What we will do with the money raised We are seeking to raise £1,000. We have instructed Solicitors Community Law Partnership, who have considerable experience defending boat dwellers against threats to remove their homes and challenging unlawful action by navigation authorities. The solicitor and the barrister are working on this for a much lower fee than they would normally charge. Initially the £1,000 raised will go towards the cost of a Legal Opinion on the extent of CRT powers to make the proposed changes to the Boat Licence Terms and Conditions. The outcome of this will determine the next steps and we may be back with a larger-scale appeal. link
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Post by Jim on Apr 2, 2021 16:39:02 GMT
Done, this needs the efforts of more than one boater.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:38:42 GMT
Done, this needs the efforts of more than one boater. Definitely deserves support. It’s something that will effect any boat owner. Even if people only give a quid, the numbers supporting it will put pressure on crt to abide by the law and stop taking the piss.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 2, 2021 17:38:54 GMT
Done Steve this is something we boaters have to win
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:44:21 GMT
Even nabo have donated 200 quid.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 2, 2021 18:35:48 GMT
Even nabo have donated 200 quid. Of course they did. Cheaper than them doing something themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 18:49:07 GMT
Even nabo have donated 200 quid. Of course they did. Cheaper than them doing something themselves. I had a lot of time for nabo when David fletcher was running it, he was a genuine supporter of boat owners and always tended to speak sensibly, but the recent crop of tizard, Rodd and Stella ridgeway have been a bloody disaster. It’s unsurprisingly lost the majority of its membership. As for the IWA, they have just slipped quietly away and do absolutely nothing for boat owners anymore.
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Post by Trina on Apr 2, 2021 20:26:33 GMT
Of course they did. Cheaper than them doing something themselves. I had a lot of time for nabo when David fletcher was running it, he was a genuine supporter of boat owners and always tended to speak sensibly, but the recent crop of tizard, Rodd and Stella ridgeway have been a bloody disaster. It’s unsurprisingly lost the majority of its membership. As for the IWA, they have just slipped quietly away and do absolutely nothing for boat owners anymore. The IWA do not seem to have many fans these days...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 20:36:57 GMT
I had a lot of time for nabo when David fletcher was running it, he was a genuine supporter of boat owners and always tended to speak sensibly, but the recent crop of tizard, Rodd and Stella ridgeway have been a bloody disaster. It’s unsurprisingly lost the majority of its membership. As for the IWA, they have just slipped quietly away and do absolutely nothing for boat owners anymore. The IWA do not seem to have many fans these days... I suspect the IWA are avoiding getting involved with the T&C’s because they have supported crt on the issue when raised at the all waterways parliamentary committee. They have managed to stop any boat owners from joining the committee, insisting they are the best representatives for all. The sad fact is, the IWA don’t have a large boat owning membership. The last agm I attended saw about 30 people turn up, of which only 4 owned up to being a boat owner. The rest seemed to be mainly landlubbers who just wanted to be active in something.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 3, 2021 0:30:17 GMT
We are a coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations. For most of us, our boat is our only home. What is happening? Canal & River Trust (CRT) is proposing changes to the Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) for private boat licences. Every boat needs to have a licence, otherwise it can be seized by the Trust. For people who live on boats, these proposed changes vastly increase the risk that their boat licence could be terminated, leading to the seizure, craning out and destruction of their home. We depend on the waterways for our homes and these proposed changes, which will affect some 80% of the UK's inland waterways, will have a significant and far-reaching effect on us. We are looking to raise £1,000 to start the legal process of challenging these changes. We need your support. Please contribute and share, share, share this page now! Thank you so much! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The three conditions for the issue and termination of boat licences are set out in Section 17 of the British Waterways Act 1995. CRT appears to be using the T&Cs to extend the power to terminate boat licences. We are concerned that this would amount to unlawfully changing the boat licence from a statutory requirement to a civil contractual matter. If this move was to be accepted as lawful, it would vastly reduce the protection for CRT's boat licence customers. What we will do with the money raised We are seeking to raise £1,000. We have instructed Solicitors Community Law Partnership, who have considerable experience defending boat dwellers against threats to remove their homes and challenging unlawful action by navigation authorities. The solicitor and the barrister are working on this for a much lower fee than they would normally charge. Initially the £1,000 raised will go towards the cost of a Legal Opinion on the extent of CRT powers to make the proposed changes to the Boat Licence Terms and Conditions. The outcome of this will determine the next steps and we may be back with a larger-scale appeal. link Laudable as this appeal might first appear, it does beg the question - why is this ill-defined "coalition" appealing to raise money to pay for a "legal opinion" on a matter that was covered - almost certainly in a far more thorough and detailed fashion than that to be had from any 'solicitor' or 'barrister' in return for the sum of £1000, or more - just under four and a half years ago in an article circulated to involved inland boating organizations and published on the internet by Nigel Moore ? The intended changes to C&RT's boat Licence T&C's are all founded in the Trust's long standing misuse of S.43 of the Transport Act of 1962. In August 2016 Nigel published a typically well researched and exhaustive analysis of precisely why S.43 of the 1962 Act could never be lawfully applicable to C&RT's already largely unenforceable and ever changing catalogue of extra-statutory boat licensing T&C's dreamt up in the Milton Keynes parliament by one of Parry's numerous mismanagement 'teams'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 7:34:47 GMT
We are a coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations. For most of us, our boat is our only home. What is happening? Canal & River Trust (CRT) is proposing changes to the Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) for private boat licences. Every boat needs to have a licence, otherwise it can be seized by the Trust. For people who live on boats, these proposed changes vastly increase the risk that their boat licence could be terminated, leading to the seizure, craning out and destruction of their home. We depend on the waterways for our homes and these proposed changes, which will affect some 80% of the UK's inland waterways, will have a significant and far-reaching effect on us. We are looking to raise £1,000 to start the legal process of challenging these changes. We need your support. Please contribute and share, share, share this page now! Thank you so much! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The three conditions for the issue and termination of boat licences are set out in Section 17 of the British Waterways Act 1995. CRT appears to be using the T&Cs to extend the power to terminate boat licences. We are concerned that this would amount to unlawfully changing the boat licence from a statutory requirement to a civil contractual matter. If this move was to be accepted as lawful, it would vastly reduce the protection for CRT's boat licence customers. What we will do with the money raised We are seeking to raise £1,000. We have instructed Solicitors Community Law Partnership, who have considerable experience defending boat dwellers against threats to remove their homes and challenging unlawful action by navigation authorities. The solicitor and the barrister are working on this for a much lower fee than they would normally charge. Initially the £1,000 raised will go towards the cost of a Legal Opinion on the extent of CRT powers to make the proposed changes to the Boat Licence Terms and Conditions. The outcome of this will determine the next steps and we may be back with a larger-scale appeal. link Laudable as this appeal might first appear, it does beg the question - why is this ill-defined "coalition" appealing to raise money to pay for a "legal opinion" on a matter that was covered - almost certainly in a far more thorough and detailed fashion than that to be had from any 'solicitor' or 'barrister' in return for the sum of £1000, or more - just under four and a half years ago in an article circulated to involved inland boating organizations and published on the internet by Nigel Moore ? The intended changes to C&RT's boat Licence T&C's are all founded in the Trust's long standing misuse of S.43 of the Transport Act of 1962. In August 2016 Nigel published a typically well researched and exhaustive analysis of precisely why S.43 of the 1962 Act could never be lawfully applicable to C&RT's already largely unenforceable and ever changing catalogue of extra-statutory boat licensing T&C's dreamt up in the Milton Keynes parliament by one of Parry's numerous mismanagement 'teams'. Watch and learn.
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Post by Jim on Apr 3, 2021 8:44:47 GMT
We are a coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations. For most of us, our boat is our only home. What is happening? Canal & River Trust (CRT) is proposing changes to the Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) for private boat licences. Every boat needs to have a licence, otherwise it can be seized by the Trust. For people who live on boats, these proposed changes vastly increase the risk that their boat licence could be terminated, leading to the seizure, craning out and destruction of their home. We depend on the waterways for our homes and these proposed changes, which will affect some 80% of the UK's inland waterways, will have a significant and far-reaching effect on us. We are looking to raise £1,000 to start the legal process of challenging these changes. We need your support. Please contribute and share, share, share this page now! Thank you so much! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The three conditions for the issue and termination of boat licences are set out in Section 17 of the British Waterways Act 1995. CRT appears to be using the T&Cs to extend the power to terminate boat licences. We are concerned that this would amount to unlawfully changing the boat licence from a statutory requirement to a civil contractual matter. If this move was to be accepted as lawful, it would vastly reduce the protection for CRT's boat licence customers. What we will do with the money raised We are seeking to raise £1,000. We have instructed Solicitors Community Law Partnership, who have considerable experience defending boat dwellers against threats to remove their homes and challenging unlawful action by navigation authorities. The solicitor and the barrister are working on this for a much lower fee than they would normally charge. Initially the £1,000 raised will go towards the cost of a Legal Opinion on the extent of CRT powers to make the proposed changes to the Boat Licence Terms and Conditions. The outcome of this will determine the next steps and we may be back with a larger-scale appeal. link Laudable as this appeal might first appear, it does beg the question - why is this ill-defined "coalition" appealing to raise money to pay for a "legal opinion" on a matter that was covered - almost certainly in a far more thorough and detailed fashion than that to be had from any 'solicitor' or 'barrister' in return for the sum of £1000, or more - just under four and a half years ago in an article circulated to involved inland boating organizations and published on the internet by Nigel Moore ? The intended changes to C&RT's boat Licence T&C's are all founded in the Trust's long standing misuse of S.43 of the Transport Act of 1962. In August 2016 Nigel published a typically well researched and exhaustive analysis of precisely why S.43 of the 1962 Act could never be lawfully applicable to C&RT's already largely unenforceable and ever changing catalogue of extra-statutory boat licensing T&C's dreamt up in the Milton Keynes parliament by one of Parry's numerous mismanagement 'teams'. Whatever, any new legal eagles will have to get their heads round the issue, is Nigel's work available for them to peruse, then at least some good will come of it.
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Post by Allan on Apr 3, 2021 9:02:45 GMT
We are a coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations. For most of us, our boat is our only home. What is happening? Canal & River Trust (CRT) is proposing changes to the Terms and Conditions (T&Cs) for private boat licences. Every boat needs to have a licence, otherwise it can be seized by the Trust. For people who live on boats, these proposed changes vastly increase the risk that their boat licence could be terminated, leading to the seizure, craning out and destruction of their home. We depend on the waterways for our homes and these proposed changes, which will affect some 80% of the UK's inland waterways, will have a significant and far-reaching effect on us. We are looking to raise £1,000 to start the legal process of challenging these changes. We need your support. Please contribute and share, share, share this page now! Thank you so much! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The three conditions for the issue and termination of boat licences are set out in Section 17 of the British Waterways Act 1995. CRT appears to be using the T&Cs to extend the power to terminate boat licences. We are concerned that this would amount to unlawfully changing the boat licence from a statutory requirement to a civil contractual matter. If this move was to be accepted as lawful, it would vastly reduce the protection for CRT's boat licence customers. What we will do with the money raised We are seeking to raise £1,000. We have instructed Solicitors Community Law Partnership, who have considerable experience defending boat dwellers against threats to remove their homes and challenging unlawful action by navigation authorities. The solicitor and the barrister are working on this for a much lower fee than they would normally charge. Initially the £1,000 raised will go towards the cost of a Legal Opinion on the extent of CRT powers to make the proposed changes to the Boat Licence Terms and Conditions. The outcome of this will determine the next steps and we may be back with a larger-scale appeal. link Laudable as this appeal might first appear, it does beg the question - why is this ill-defined "coalition" appealing to raise money to pay for a "legal opinion" on a matter that was covered - almost certainly in a far more thorough and detailed fashion than that to be had from any 'solicitor' or 'barrister' in return for the sum of £1000, or more - just under four and a half years ago in an article circulated to involved inland boating organizations and published on the internet by Nigel Moore ? The intended changes to C&RT's boat Licence T&C's are all founded in the Trust's long standing misuse of S.43 of the Transport Act of 1962. In August 2016 Nigel published a typically well researched and exhaustive analysis of precisely why S.43 of the 1962 Act could never be lawfully applicable to C&RT's already largely unenforceable and ever changing catalogue of extra-statutory boat licensing T&C's dreamt up in the Milton Keynes parliament by one of Parry's numerous mismanagement 'teams'. I guess it comes down to a feeling that a professional legal opinion costing money bears more weight than an free amateur legal opinion. Having said that, I find that Nigel's views are little different to those provided by a professional to NABO over seven years ago and summed up in a meeting with CRT by Mike Rodd in February 2014 So I am left wondering why NABO has donated £200 to an appeal by NBTA in order to obtain a legal opinion that that they already hold ... The various acts of parliament have remained unchanged since 1995. Byelaws even longer. Whilst CRT's T's & C's have changed and continue to change the basic questions still remain. Does CRT have the power to impose terms and conditions? Can the terms and conditions be used to change laws/byelaws?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 9:22:18 GMT
Laudable as this appeal might first appear, it does beg the question - why is this ill-defined "coalition" appealing to raise money to pay for a "legal opinion" on a matter that was covered - almost certainly in a far more thorough and detailed fashion than that to be had from any 'solicitor' or 'barrister' in return for the sum of £1000, or more - just under four and a half years ago in an article circulated to involved inland boating organizations and published on the internet by Nigel Moore ? The intended changes to C&RT's boat Licence T&C's are all founded in the Trust's long standing misuse of S.43 of the Transport Act of 1962. In August 2016 Nigel published a typically well researched and exhaustive analysis of precisely why S.43 of the 1962 Act could never be lawfully applicable to C&RT's already largely unenforceable and ever changing catalogue of extra-statutory boat licensing T&C's dreamt up in the Milton Keynes parliament by one of Parry's numerous mismanagement 'teams'. Having said that, I find that Nigel's views are little different to those provided by a professional to NABO over seven years ago and summed up in a meeting with CRT by Mike Rodd in February 2014 Total bullshit. I attended the meeting and the so called legal professional opened his mouth, spouted a load of bollox and was shot down in flames by Parry 20 seconds later. It was totally embarrassing. Oh, and by the way, my notes of the meeting show attendees from nabo were tizard and the legal retiree, with apologies from Mike Rodd for being unable to attend. Yet another one of your made up stories?
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Post by kris on Apr 3, 2021 9:40:04 GMT
Getting these new t&c’s into a court and have a judge decide on the legality is important. Personally I don’t want Tony, to represent boaters even when he offers to do it for less than a grand.
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