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Post by JohnV on Apr 3, 2021 9:47:06 GMT
I want to support but I won't use my card on the internet and they don't accept Paypal ..... does anyone know of another way to pay?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 3, 2021 10:21:28 GMT
Laudable as this appeal might first appear, it does beg the question - why is this ill-defined "coalition" appealing to raise money to pay for a "legal opinion" on a matter that was covered - almost certainly in a far more thorough and detailed fashion than that to be had from any 'solicitor' or 'barrister' in return for the sum of £1000, or more - just under four and a half years ago in an article circulated to involved inland boating organizations and published on the internet by Nigel Moore ? The intended changes to C&RT's boat Licence T&C's are all founded in the Trust's long standing misuse of S.43 of the Transport Act of 1962. In August 2016 Nigel published a typically well researched and exhaustive analysis of precisely why S.43 of the 1962 Act could never be lawfully applicable to C&RT's already largely unenforceable and ever changing catalogue of extra-statutory boat licensing T&C's dreamt up in the Milton Keynes parliament by one of Parry's numerous mismanagement 'teams'. Watch and learn. The first thing I want to 'learn' about this "[ A] coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations" is, apart from the NBTA, just who are the "boat dwellers", and who or what are these un-named "other support organizations". I'm also keen to 'learn' why C&RT's illegal revoking/terminating of boat Licences under their extra-statutory T&C's is being presented now as something new, when to my knowledge and from direct personal involvement, boat Licences were being revoked under the Trust's then Licence T&C's as far back as 2013.
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Post by Jim on Apr 3, 2021 10:52:41 GMT
The first thing I want to 'learn' about this "[ A] coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations" is, apart from the NBTA, just who are the "boat dwellers", and who or what are these un-named "other support organizations". I'm also keen to 'learn' why C&RT's illegal revoking/terminating of boat Licences under their extra-statutory T&C's is being presented now as something new, when to my knowledge and from direct personal involvement, boat Licences were being revoked under the Trust's then Licence T&C's as far back as 2013. So does it matter as long as the issue is finally being dealt with! Unless you are looking for summat to complain or have a snipe about. Grumbleboat r us!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 10:54:39 GMT
Getting these new t&c’s into a court and have a judge decide on the legality is important. Personally I don’t want Tony, to represent boaters even when he offers to do it for less than a grand. Given the fact he’s lost two boats out of two, I can only agree with you.
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Post by Allan on Apr 3, 2021 11:03:46 GMT
Having said that, I find that Nigel's views are little different to those provided by a professional to NABO over seven years ago and summed up in a meeting with CRT by Mike Rodd in February 2014 Total bullshit. I attended the meeting and the so called legal professional opened his mouth, spouted a load of bollox and was shot down in flames by Parry 20 seconds later. It was totally embarrassing. Oh, and by the way, my notes of the meeting show attendees from nabo were tizard and the legal retiree, with apologies from Mike Rodd for being unable to attend. Yet another one of your made up stories? I'm not sure that anyone on this forum gives much credence to Steve Jenkin anymore. They may be willing to do so if he were to provide evidence of what he has done with ACC's membership fees. For the record I was quoting from the notes of a meeting between CRT and NABO held on 14th Jan 2014. Present at that meeting were - CRT - Richard Parry, Jackie Lewis NABO - Mike Rodd, Mark Tizard , Geoffrey Rogerson
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 11:09:23 GMT
Total bullshit. I attended the meeting and the so called legal professional opened his mouth, spouted a load of bollox and was shot down in flames by Parry 20 seconds later. It was totally embarrassing. Oh, and by the way, my notes of the meeting show attendees from nabo were tizard and the legal retiree, with apologies from Mike Rodd for being unable to attend. Yet another one of your made up stories? I'm not sure that anyone on this forum gives much credence to Steve Jenkin anymore. They may be willing to do so if he were to provide evidence of what he has done with ACC's membership fees. For the record I was quoting from the notes of a meeting between CRT and NABO held on 14th Jan 2014. Present at that meeting were - CRT - Richard Parry, Jackie Lewis NABO - Mike Rodd, Mark Tizard , Geoffrey Rogerson *yawn* I’ve no idea who steve Jenkin is, so obviously cannot speak for him.
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Post by kris on Apr 3, 2021 11:18:04 GMT
The first thing I want to 'learn' about this "[ A] coalition of boat dwellers, the National Bargee Travellers Association and other support organisations" is, apart from the NBTA, just who are the "boat dwellers", and who or what are these un-named "other support organizations". I'm also keen to 'learn' why C&RT's illegal revoking/terminating of boat Licences under their extra-statutory T&C's is being presented now as something new, when to my knowledge and from direct personal involvement, boat Licences were being revoked under the Trust's then Licence T&C's as far back as 2013. So does it matter as long as the issue is finally being dealt with! Unless you are looking for summat to complain or have a snipe about. Grumbleboat r us! What you have to remember about Tony, is that he’s trying to prove that everyone apart from him is wrong.
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Post by kris on Apr 3, 2021 11:30:20 GMT
The point is that a collective action backed by lots of different boaters,takes it out of the realm of personalities. Which is a good thing for the cause. TD is an egotistical bag of wind and piss, he’s even made this thread about him and his overbearing supercilious attitude.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 3, 2021 11:34:22 GMT
Total bullshit. I attended the meeting and the so called legal professional opened his mouth, spouted a load of bollox and was shot down in flames by Parry 20 seconds later. It was totally embarrassing. Oh, and by the way, my notes of the meeting show attendees from nabo were tizard and the legal retiree, with apologies from Mike Rodd for being unable to attend. Yet another one of your made up stories? I'm not sure that anyone on this forum gives much credence to Steve Jenkin anymore. They may be willing to do so if he were to provide evidence of what he has done with ACC's membership fees. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From the reaction that my questions have prompted, one could be forgiven for thinking that perhaps having now spent all of the residue of the membership fees left over from the rancorous demise of the ACC, someone is looking to replenish his stash under the guise of anonymous "boat dwellers" and equally anonymous "other support organisations".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 11:40:25 GMT
I'm not sure that anyone on this forum gives much credence to Steve Jenkin anymore. They may be willing to do so if he were to provide evidence of what he has done with ACC's membership fees. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From the reaction that my questions have prompted, one could be forgiven for thinking that perhaps having now spent all of the residue of the membership fees left over from the rancorous demise of the ACC, someone is looking to replenish his stash under the guise of anonymous "boat dwellers" and equally anonymous "other support organisations". Rather than using yet another thread to sling mud, how about you instead post a link to the paper written by Nigel Moore and leave it at that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 11:43:46 GMT
The point is that a collective action backed by lots of different boaters,takes it out of the realm of personalities. Which is a good thing for the cause. TD is an egotistical bag of wind and piss, he’s even made this thread about him and his overbearing supercilious attitude. It’s sad that he has made a fool of himself and even more sad that he has now come to the end game with nothing to show for it. Nigel left a legacy of knowledge filed in scribden, Dunkley has left two boats rotting away in boatyards.
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Post by kris on Apr 3, 2021 11:51:05 GMT
The point is that a collective action backed by lots of different boaters,takes it out of the realm of personalities. Which is a good thing for the cause. TD is an egotistical bag of wind and piss, he’s even made this thread about him and his overbearing supercilious attitude. It’s sad that he has made a fool of himself and even more sad that he has now come to the end game with nothing to show for it. Nigel left a legacy of knowledge filed in scribden, Dunkley has left two boats rotting away in boatyards. What he forgets is that there are lots of people around here who know the “true,” story and exactly what Tony is like. Not the edited version of events Tony presents to the world through the internet.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 3, 2021 12:01:00 GMT
It’s sad that he has made a fool of himself and even more sad that he has now come to the end game with nothing to show for it. Nigel left a legacy of knowledge filed in scribden, Dunkley has left two boats rotting away in boatyards. What he forgets is that there are lots of people around here who know the “true,” story and exactly what Tony is like. Not the edited version of events Tony presents to the world through the internet. and support him in his efforts !!! I first met Tony in 2016 and I have spoken to him many times, so I know what he is like and I support him in his efforts to make CRT comply with the legislation as opposed to their desires.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 3, 2021 12:07:21 GMT
The point is that a collective action backed by lots of different boaters,takes it out of the realm of personalities. Which is a good thing for the cause. TD is an egotistical bag of wind and piss, he’s even made this thread about him and his overbearing supercilious attitude. It’s sad that he has made a fool of himself and even more sad that he has now come to the end game with nothing to show for it. Nigel left a legacy of knowledge filed in scribden, Dunkley has left two boats rotting away in boatyards. How about enlightening TB readers and contributors with some details about these anonymous "boat dwellers" and equally anonymous "other support organisations" behind this fund raising appeal, . . instead of playing internet aspersion ping-pong with the other vacuous lowlife ?
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Post by Jim on Apr 3, 2021 12:18:37 GMT
It’s sad that he has made a fool of himself and even more sad that he has now come to the end game with nothing to show for it. Nigel left a legacy of knowledge filed in scribden, Dunkley has left two boats rotting away in boatyards. How about enlightening TB readers and contributors with some details about these anonymous "boat dwellers" and equally anonymous "other support organisations" behind this fund raising appeal, . . instead of playing internet aspersion ping-pong with the other vacuous lowlife ? Boat dwellers are probably this who contribute but aren't part of an organisation. Immsmr there was an option to be anonymous on the contribution list. But going and looking isn't as much fun.
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