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Post by kris on Aug 8, 2021 8:09:34 GMT
Have you seen the prices ! Can't you get a used model ? Rog spoken like a true Yorkshireman
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Post by bodger on Aug 8, 2021 8:30:55 GMT
let's be honest - sit-on kayaks are toys, proper kayaks are for grown-ups.
it doesn't take much imagination to arrange for quick access items to be stored on the deck of a proper kayak. Because your bum is about 9" higher in a toy boat, the kayak will be much more stable for similar dimensions. This fred did start by OP looking for a faster boat, so we should assume that he is looking at a really slim hull that, in the case of the toy boat, will be relatively unstable. Kayaks shouldn't capsize unless you hook a man-eater or try to hug a swan. Toy boats are designed to fall off and get back inagain Michael Finnigan.
I'm after a compromise really. I do want more speed. The tide through the bottleneck at the estuary during spring tides more or less matches the top speed of my existing toy. It's touch and go getting through, need to paddle like a demon and be very precise selecting the exact line where the tide run is just a touch less. I've failed more than once. I've always gone to sea on a rising tide, as I wouldn't like to be caught outside, struggle to get back in on the rising tide. A faster boat will make this problem redundant and enable me to go out on the ebb in safety. Also, there are several good fishing marks around 4-6 miles away. I could use the existing boat but I'd be faced with a 1 or 2 hour paddle each way. I could do that, but prefer to have the option of doing it quicker. So while more speed is important I need to trade some of this for more stability, for fishing. I also need lots of storage possibility. Ideally I'd have a couple of toys and a proper kayak but that's not an option, so compromise it is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 8:37:00 GMT
Or a motorised kayak.
I put a little 6354 236kv brushless motor in a small kayak, shaft drive.
The stern tube wants doing better but it does actually work and shift the boat faster than I can paddle it.
I think a 500w electric scooter motor might be and interesting option although possibly a bit heavy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 8:41:32 GMT
Both my kayaks have a deck. The shorter of the two (thanks Andrew) is fibreglass, and is wide and stable with a large cockpit, but it is slow. I use this one all year round and stay dry inside it.
The longer of the two is a plastic touring type kayak (14 ft) which I use on tidal waters. The obvious benefit of the enclosed deck is that it keeps your legs dry from any spray, or water coming off the paddles. In the colder months, a skirt can be worn to keep all of the water out of the boat.It is fitted with a large buoyancy bag in case of capsize, and any items I need accessible are stored on the deck under a bungee cargo net type thing.The other obvious benefit of a traditional kayak is that a rudder is often fitted to make control easier, especially in tidal waters and windy conditions.
In contrast, Mrs R has a sit on top kayak (ocean scrambler), which is quite long. It is more stable than the longer of my ones, but I find paddling it quite awkward in comparison even though it is quite narrow,and my legs do tend to get wet. It has masses of storage space though,and with a suitable drybag is probably the one I would choose to go fishing in, if it was only during the warmer months. It is obviously slower, but not, I would say by a huge amount. If you want a compromise fishing/camping boat, with more fishing than camping, I would go for the sit on one.
I would choose a boat that is as long as you can get away with,one that can be easily handled off the water, and one that you are able to store.I would also choose one that has a nice bow shape that will cut through the water. Oh, and a bright coloured one for when you need rescuing, and so the jet ski brigade don't run you down.
A more suitable boat (as above), would give more comfort,but would bring with it a new set of problems in terms of storage and what to do with the outboard when not in use.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 8, 2021 9:24:23 GMT
Both my kayaks have a deck. The shorter of the two (thanks Andrew) is fibreglass, and is wide and stable with a large cockpit, but it is slow. I use this one all year round and stay dry inside it. The longer of the two is a plastic touring type kayak (14 ft) which I use on tidal waters. The obvious benefit of the enclosed deck is that it keeps your legs dry from any spray, or water coming off the paddles. In the colder months, a skirt can be worn to keep all of the water out of the boat.It is fitted with a large buoyancy bag in case of capsize, and any items I need accessible are stored on the deck under a bungee cargo net type thing.The other obvious benefit of a traditional kayak is that a rudder is often fitted to make control easier, especially in tidal waters and windy conditions. In contrast, Mrs R has a sit on top kayak (ocean scrambler), which is quite long. It is more stable than the longer of my ones, but I find paddling it quite awkward in comparison even though it is quite narrow,and my legs do tend to get wet. It has masses of storage space though,and with a suitable drybag is probably the one I would choose to go fishing in, if it was only during the warmer months. It is obviously slower, but not, I would say by a huge amount. If you want a compromise fishing/camping boat, with more fishing than camping, I would go for the sit on one. I would choose a boat that is as long as you can get away with,one that can be easily handled off the water, and one that you are able to store.I would also choose one that has a nice bow shape that will cut through the water. Oh, and a bright coloured one for when you need rescuing, and so the jet ski brigade don't run you down. A more suitable boat (as above), would give more comfort,but would bring with it a new set of problems in terms of storage and what to do with the outboard when not in use. Cheers for that. The kayak I've more or less decided to buy is 14'9" long. I can store it down the sailing club for 20 quid a year. A 'proper' boat would be many times that. It weighs 30 KG so not light but not overly heavy for its length. I have a crappy kayak trolley that may or may not do the job. If not, I'll buy a more suitable one. Fortunately it's only 50 yards from the compound to the slipway then a few more yards over sand, or none at all at high tide. I can't foresee any problems in the handling department. A motor is out. Kayaking for me is more about fitness than anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 9:27:51 GMT
Sounds good. Nice and long.
One of my kayaks is 14ft long and it does go well. Length makes all the difference. As the actress said to the bishop.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 8, 2021 9:41:53 GMT
Sounds good. Nice and long. One of my kayaks is 14ft long and it does go well. Length makes all the difference. As the actress said to the bishop. Everyone likes a good length, but for different reasons. Any idea what top speed you can achieve on your 14ft? My current one maxes out at 3.6/ 3.7mph. The one I'm looking at can apparently achieve just over 7mph. I'm not expecting that but over 5 would be very nice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 9:43:00 GMT
I have been thinking about some type of kayak/canoe when we get our narrowboat. Is there a way of securing it to the roof and what about security, ie to stop some scrote nicking it?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 8, 2021 9:51:47 GMT
I have been thinking about some type of kayak/canoe when we get our narrowboat. Is there a way of securing it to the roof and what about security, ie to stop some scrote nicking it? I had a kayak when I lived aboard. I could get it on the roof but at 22KG it was awkward. Gave up doing that and left it in the cut right behind my boat. Chained through the pilings if there were any or otherwise, chained to the back of the boat. Just tow it behind when moving, be aware of the extra length in locks, I didn't have any problems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 11:22:45 GMT
Not all sit on top boats have to be slow. I bet this one would keep up with a traditional kayak: ibb.co/BzH5Sx2And this one, you could just look at the fishies instead of trying to catch them: ibb.co/Tq5Rywr
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 8, 2021 11:46:36 GMT
Not all sit on top boats have to be slow. I bet this one would keep up with a traditional kayak: ibb.co/BzH5Sx2And this one, you could just look at the fishies instead of trying to catch them: ibb.co/Tq5RywrThe hole in the second one is for a pedal drive, I think?
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Post by Jim on Aug 8, 2021 11:54:07 GMT
Not all sit on top boats have to be slow. I bet this one would keep up with a traditional kayak: ibb.co/BzH5Sx2And this one, you could just look at the fishies instead of trying to catch them: ibb.co/Tq5RywrThe hole in the second one is for a pedal drive, I think? Spear fishing? Sea loo? Self draining?
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Post by JohnV on Aug 8, 2021 11:58:34 GMT
Yeah I wondered if it was incase you got caught short
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 8, 2021 12:04:59 GMT
Getting caught short is a bit of a nightmare at the moment. Apparently it's possible to stand on my new one, so that's that dealt with. I'll have to go over the side if I need a number two though. Hopefully no mako sharks around, one was hooked off Tywyn a week ago, just 10 miles south of here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 12:13:59 GMT
Sounds good. Nice and long. One of my kayaks is 14ft long and it does go well. Length makes all the difference. As the actress said to the bishop. Everyone likes a good length, but for different reasons. Any idea what top speed you can achieve on your 14ft? My current one maxes out at 3.6/ 3.7mph. The one I'm looking at can apparently achieve just over 7mph. I'm not expecting that but over 5 would be very nice. I never thought to measure it and I'm not a particularly strong paddler but I reckon it could be 4mph+. You'd have to be pretty fit to do 7!!
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