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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 12:16:18 GMT
Would you buy one? and reasons?
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2021 12:23:00 GMT
Would you buy one? and reasons? They were made from Gasometer steel, I don't know how true it is, it's supposed to have been good steel. There's a good few about, they seem to have lasted. Some drydocks will not take them because of the chined hull, so they don't sit down without needing chocks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 12:32:21 GMT
Would you buy one? and reasons? They were made from Gasometer steel, I don't know how true it is, it's supposed to have been good steel. There's a good few about, they seem to have lasted. Some drydocks will not take them because of the chined hull, so they don't sit down without needing chocks. Ah, the reason I was asking is I read somewhere the steel used was sometimes inferior so a lot of springers have needed overplating hence why some people steer clear(no pun intended but i'll take it anyway) Chined hull, same as 'V' hull, Jim?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 29, 2021 13:34:41 GMT
They were made from Gasometer steel, I don't know how true it is, it's supposed to have been good steel. There's a good few about, they seem to have lasted. Some drydocks will not take them because of the chined hull, so they don't sit down without needing chocks. Ah, the reason I was asking is I read somewhere the steel used was sometimes inferior so a lot of springers have needed overplating hence why some people steer clear(no pun intended but i'll take it anyway) Chined hull, same as 'V' hull, Jim? I think regardless of whether the steel was good or bad quality, the facts are that the steel used was quite thin by modern standards, and most springers are now pretty old = need to over plate. But set against that many didn’t have a shore power system so, if kept well blacked etc, might still be in reasonable condition.
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2021 13:36:46 GMT
They were made from Gasometer steel, I don't know how true it is, it's supposed to have been good steel. There's a good few about, they seem to have lasted. Some drydocks will not take them because of the chined hull, so they don't sit down without needing chocks. Ah, the reason I was asking is I read somewhere the steel used was sometimes inferior so a lot of springers have needed overplating hence why some people steer clear(no pun intended but i'll take it anyway) Chined hull, same as 'V' hull, Jim? Yes a V hull. Afaik the issue with the steel is it's only 4mm plate, hence the need to overplate if blacking wasn't done regularly. They came in a variety of lengths, some 40ft.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 13:37:06 GMT
Springers are ok if you are happy with being viewed as inferior.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 13:39:27 GMT
Ah, the reason I was asking is I read somewhere the steel used was sometimes inferior so a lot of springers have needed overplating hence why some people steer clear(no pun intended but i'll take it anyway) Chined hull, same as 'V' hull, Jim? Yes a V hull. Afaik the issue with the steel is it's only 4mm plate, hence the need to overplate if blacking wasn't done regularly. They came in a variety of lengths, some 40ft. Early springers were sometimes sold for DIY wood tops then later all steel and the latest ones (around 1990) actually had incredibly advanced round sterns. I remember the old Hancock and Lane adverts making a big point about the fact they were making nice round sterns while springers were diamond shaped. One bloke with a Springer told me the distinctive "moustache" at the front was inspired by the Humber Keels.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 13:40:34 GMT
Springers are ok if you are happy with being viewed as inferior. I've had that feeling all my life so nothing new there.. I mean I viewed myself as being inferior.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 13:40:53 GMT
Sounds ideal!
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Post by JohnV on Aug 29, 2021 13:59:48 GMT
By the use of folded plates and a hard chine they were rigid without the need for heavy framing. A system not used by most other steelworkers as it requires expensive folding machinery. In the early days second hand gasometer steel was used but that was actually good quality stuff.
They were inclined to be bluff and often had an extremely short swim making them unwilling to go astern.
Being light they didn't need much in the way of engine power and the chine was an advantage on canals with shallow edges.
Springers yard in the 70's was an experience, often a row of 8 or 9 boats in various stages of completion. To venture into the office was to leave with yellowing hair and an increased risk of lung cancer ...... even their drawings were nicotine yellow They were of their time, almost the model T of canals. Cheap cheerful and made a great stepping stone for many from cruisers to narrowboats and an introduction to boating for many more.
The philosophy of thin steel for small boats is ....... paint the bloody thing ....... all of it !!!
It is only in the world of narrowboating where ridiculously thick steel is demanded and also the only area of boating where you don't paint the bottom. I believe the two are interdependent.
The condition of any 40 year old boat depends entirely on how well it has been looked after
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 16:48:31 GMT
Two lovely friends had a thirty five foot Springer built, and lived on it for over twenty five years.
Sold now (he died) but providing a home for a new boater.
6 mm bottom, and slightly v'd can be an issue ... but like anything ... well looked after they're fine.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 17:30:23 GMT
The cabin welding is always...distinctive...I once saw an example on which someone had lovingly ground down all the knobbly bits and it looked even weirder. V-hull - an advantage on shallow edges but overall is more 'tender' than a flat-bottomed boat. It will be much easier to paint the bottom once on the hard. Would probably handle better in deeper water than a flat-bottomed boat. Square stern - actually far more practical than a round stern, especially if you are a liveaboard. And, as I always told myself, it would be a piece of cake to add a outboard mount for auxiliary power (just the job for a long-shaft Seagull ). But not the prettiest rear end. ETA the very simple rudder setup is easy to maintain and fix.
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Post by patty on Aug 29, 2021 17:45:31 GMT
someone over on the other channel had one..I did see it but twernt my cup of tea
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2021 17:59:38 GMT
Some were / are outboard powered. There are advantages, steerability especially reversing, easy to clear the prop. Newer outboards have a higher 12v output, with a solar panel and led lights, judicious use of power, it's a lot easier to manage.
Mine isn't a Springer, but is is similar in some respects, 6mm bottom, 5mm sides, 3mm top. 20hp Outboard with high thrust prop. I have a dometic/waeco compressor coolbox, if I were to live aboard not moving much I'd use an insulated cool cupboard low down on the bottom, it worked before we got the coolbox. When travelling daily it's not a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 18:05:32 GMT
My friends was a rounded stern and had a Beta engine.
Beautiful woodwork inside too ... a cosy, tiny boat for a couple.
Rog
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