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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 27, 2021 9:35:54 GMT
We all know we can get covid even if you have the jabs, doesn't stop the spread, just decreases the chances of going into hospital and becoming brown bread. Nots sure how many times this needs to be typed on here. So it's not a vaccine as such? "A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2021 9:36:52 GMT
We all know we can get covid even if you have the jabs, doesn't stop the spread, just decreases the chances of going into hospital and becoming brown bread. Nots sure how many times this needs to be typed on here. So it's not a vaccine as such? "A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease". I guess not vince, but its just words, and being alive is more important than debating what it should be called.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 27, 2021 9:41:17 GMT
Naughtyfox's posts are great! I always look forwards to finding his posts on here. Yeah, some of the stuff I come out with can be entertaining.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 27, 2021 9:42:39 GMT
We all know we can get covid even if you have the jabs, doesn't stop the spread, just decreases the chances of going into hospital and becoming brown bread. Nots sure how many times this needs to be typed on here. So it's not a vaccine as such? "A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease". Poor thing, you are confused about the meaning of “immunity” in the context of vaccines.
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Post by ianali on Dec 27, 2021 9:43:52 GMT
For the unjabbed, take care, just did 2 lfts both positive, with the supposedly non existent covid. Got PCR tests booked for tomorrow. Had my 2 jabs and booster so cross fingers... Couldn't sleep last night, feel shite today. Is it worth not getting the jabs cos you've listened to Tracey, Karenand Ross spreading irresponsible nonsense on the internet. Have I understood this correctly? You've had both jabs and the booster but you have Covid anyway? Not the best vaccines ever produced are they? I can beat that though. Our daughters BF (who she lives with) tested positive a couple of weeks ago, was negative by last Tuesday. Then daughter caught it. We decided to postpone family Christmas meal until New Year’s Day so as we could all get together. Last night BF has again tested positive... I was laughing with her last night, saying they could spend the whole of 2022 playing with their dog in the garden. It does seem to be almost everywhere now. Funny thing is, no one seems to ask if the patient is ill.. it’s more about the inconvenience of missing out on parties and holidays. Deadly virus my bum!
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Post by JohnV on Dec 27, 2021 9:44:25 GMT
We all know we can get covid even if you have the jabs, doesn't stop the spread, just decreases the chances of going into hospital and becoming brown bread. Nots sure how many times this needs to be typed on here. So it's not a vaccine as such? "A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease". that doesn't mean you can't catch it
it means that if you do catch it your body has a defence mechanism in place that will quickly start defending you.
If you don't catch it the defence mechanism doesn't know it has to start doing something.
So if you catch the disease you have a defence mechanism that wakes up and prevents you getting very ill
Only wearing a biohazard suit 24 hours a day 365 days a year can prevent you catching something
Jeez !!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2021 9:53:04 GMT
We all know we can get covid even if you have the jabs, doesn't stop the spread, just decreases the chances of going into hospital and becoming brown bread. That's just something you saw on the telly.... and believe. You don't actually "know" this. I can make an educated guess then, this is based on the number of deaths falling drastically since the jab/vaccine or whatever you wish to name it was introduced to us, cases are high but less people are dying. Its really not hard to understand, unless of course you are an ex bus driver from Europe.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 27, 2021 9:58:55 GMT
That's just something you saw on the telly.... and believe. You don't actually "know" this. I can make an educated guess then, this is based on the number of deaths falling drastically since the jab/vaccine or whatever you wish to name it was introduced to us, cases are high but less people are dying. Its really not hard to understand, unless of course you are an ex bus driver from Europe. It's more likely that the virus has nearly run its course and further waves are progressively becoming less lethal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2021 9:58:56 GMT
Another explanation for the deaths reducing is that the "wave" is over.
They keep talking about "waves" with epidemics such as this which presumably means a line graph which goes up and then comes back down.
Waves happen regardless of vaccines. At least thats how it looks otherwise countries with very low vaccine use would have seen an ever rising line, which they didn't.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 27, 2021 10:01:33 GMT
I can make an educated guess then, this is based on the number of deaths falling drastically since the jab/vaccine or whatever you wish to name it was introduced to us, cases are high but less people are dying. Its really not hard to understand, unless of course you are an ex bus driver from Europe. It's more likely that the virus has nearly run its course and further waves are progressively becoming less lethal. still being pretty deadly to the unvaccinated ..... just watch the figures
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Post by JohnV on Dec 27, 2021 10:10:40 GMT
Another explanation for the deaths reducing is that the "wave" is over. They keep talking about "waves" with epidemics such as this which presumably means a line graph which goes up and then comes back down. Waves happen regardless of vaccines. At least thats how it looks otherwise countries with very low vaccine use would have seen an ever rising line, which they didn't. In areas with low vaccine rates, the number of people with a level of immunity from surviving the original virus wave has increased as has the number following Alpha, Beta and Delta but at the cost of many deaths. Omicron doesn't seem to be as deadly per case but it is so infectious that probably very few will not catch it, so although the death toll per number of cases will probably be much lower it will still add even more to the total fatality lists.
It is interesting looking at figures from SA which has a better vaccination/testing/medical records than most African countries
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 27, 2021 10:12:21 GMT
Another explanation for the deaths reducing is that the "wave" is over. They keep talking about "waves" with epidemics such as this which presumably means a line graph which goes up and then comes back down. Waves happen regardless of vaccines. At least thats how it looks otherwise countries with very low vaccine use would have seen an ever rising line, which they didn't. In areas with low vaccine rates, the number of people with a level of immunity from surviving the original virus wave has increased as has the number following Alpha, Beta and Delta but at the cost of many deaths. Omicron doesn't seem to be as deadly per case but it is so infectious that probably very few will not catch it, so although the death toll per number of cases will probably be much lower it will still add even more to the total fatality lists.
It is interesting looking at figures from SA which has a better vaccination/testing/medical records than most African countries
And also you have to take into account climate and population density. You just have to look at the U.K. to see how in summer, covid is a bit of a non-event, but come winter it all kicks off again.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 27, 2021 10:16:01 GMT
In areas with low vaccine rates, the number of people with a level of immunity from surviving the original virus wave has increased as has the number following Alpha, Beta and Delta but at the cost of many deaths. Omicron doesn't seem to be as deadly per case but it is so infectious that probably very few will not catch it, so although the death toll per number of cases will probably be much lower it will still add even more to the total fatality lists.
It is interesting looking at figures from SA which has a better vaccination/testing/medical records than most African countries
And also you have to take into account climate and population density. You just have to look at the U.K. to see how in summer, covid is a bit of a non-event, but come winter it all kicks off again. agreed ........ but then you look at Japan ........ lots of weird things country to country
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Post by bodger on Dec 27, 2021 11:01:45 GMT
It beggars belief that people are dying in increasing numbers from cancer and such like, while badly informed selfish un-vaccinated assholes occupy hospital beds and compromise the efficiency of the NHS. My hip replacement surgery has recently been scheduled and cancelled 3 times, the last time at 4 days' notice. Luckily hip problems are not fatal and I can live with the consequences albeit in considerable pain, but postponing cancer treatment is very likely to be fatal.
What is worse is that ignorant conspiracy theorists are able to spread their irresponsible crap without intervention. In a world increasingly steered by social media content the "right of free speech" cannot be allowed to rule the roost for much longer.
I recall occasionally witnessing the loonies who used to spout nonsense at Speakers' Corner near Marble Arch - the difference is that if the message became too outrageous the speaker would be drowned out or egg-splattered by the audience.
When a stupid commentator like the Resurrected One claims he doesn't know anyone who has had covid I can only conclude that he lives in a bubble and doesn't know anyone beyond his co-habitees.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2021 11:14:57 GMT
Maybe unvaccinated people should just be denied nhs hospital space.
That would be an interesting setup.
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